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RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

ahmedalsudani wrote: post #84
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TPP was cancer. Every rich nation in the world profited off of precisely the kind of IP theft which TPP aimed to punish. It was kicking away the ladder which the U.S. U.K. France, South Korea and others had climbed before anyone else could get up it. Liberal economics reeks of colonialism. "As above so below, everything in its rightful place. Let mexico grow avocados and let india make t-shirts and let the chinese bu…

IP enforcement was one provision among many. No deal is perfect.

One provision among many which stack the deck in favor of the U.S. and other rich nations. Even something as seemingly uncontroversial as the anti-corruption provisions would be deal breakers for many states. Compliance with such would require the establishment of a government arm specifically to investigate and punish corrupt officials. Who is going to pay for all of those bureaucrats, in a place like Vietnam, where people are literally selling their children just to stay alive?

And investor-state arbitration? The ability for some random joe schmoe to sue a foreign government for violating a trade treaty? We saw how that shook out with the tobacco industry; the experience was so unpleasant that tobacco was actually banned from making use of the ISDS system laid out in TPP. Interfering with a state's ability to make and enforce it's own laws is NO BUENO.

TPP makes sense from the perspective of a walmart shareholder, but to the states which walmart exploits, it's complete and utter lunacy backed by big guns and fat wallets.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by pgeorgi »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #87
pgeorgi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case Switzerland seems to be a pretty good choice: compulsory military service, difficult terrain, nuclear power plants (and with them the infrastructure to build the bomb)

Conscription is not as effective as a regular volunteer force. Atomic weapons or other WMD goes against the ethos of neutral countries which traditionally are pro-Human Rights. But I understand where you are coming at, perhaps it is because major military nations poses A-Bombs. I guess, if they are democratic countries we have no choice but to hope that their citizens can prevent it from getting used; My real worry i…

> Conscription is not as effective as a regular volunteer force.

Switzerland's terrain wouldn't see regular war but guerilla warfare (including mined bridges and everything). Having trained marksmen in almost every household helps a lot in such a situation.

> Atomic weapons or other WMD goes against the ethos of neutral countries which traditionally are pro-Human Rights.

I think Switzerland would adopt a "whatever it takes" approach when attacked. At least that's what they credibly project, and so it's unlikely that they'll end up having to play it out.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by leppr »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #87
pgeorgi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case Switzerland seems to be a pretty good choice: compulsory military service, difficult terrain, nuclear power plants (and with them the infrastructure to build the bomb)

Conscription is not as effective as a regular volunteer force. Atomic weapons or other WMD goes against the ethos of neutral countries which traditionally are pro-Human Rights. But I understand where you are coming at, perhaps it is because major military nations poses A-Bombs. I guess, if they are democratic countries we have no choice but to hope that their citizens can prevent it from getting used; My real worry i…

> I guess, if they are democratic countries we have no choice but to hope that their citizens can prevent it from getting used;

There exist no country in the world where citizens have any say on nuclear weapon use. "Pseudo democracy" is the norm.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by pjc50 »

Tepix wrote: post #96
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #12

I appreciate and welcome this move by RISC-V foundation. With semiconductor industry being used as a major soft power, countries which don't have such power betting on RISC-V[1], it's wise to move to a neutral country. My only gripe being, there aren't many neutral countries which can stand up to powerful militarized nations. Edit: The reason, I mentioned lack of military power of neutral countries is because of the…

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

The US has a strong commitment to pardoning its war criminals and human rights violators. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-warcrimes-pardon...

This, incidentally, is why it's hard to take seriously the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by antipropaganda »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #85
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #12

I appreciate and welcome this move by RISC-V foundation. With semiconductor industry being used as a major soft power, countries which don't have such power betting on RISC-V[1], it's wise to move to a neutral country. My only gripe being, there aren't many neutral countries which can stand up to powerful militarized nations. Edit: The reason, I mentioned lack of military power of neutral countries is because of the…

No-one is going to invade Switzerland. A country like the US can invade any country they want. International law is irrelevant. But they can pressure a country like Switzerland without needing to resort to military action, which would be crazy anyway in the case of Switzerland.

US can't just invade any country. US would find it very difficult to invade a country with second strike nuclear capability. Even if nuclear war is out of the question, US would find it very difficult to invade, say China: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/china-u...

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

leppr wrote: post #103
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conscription is not as effective as a regular volunteer force. Atomic weapons or other WMD goes against the ethos of neutral countries which traditionally are pro-Human Rights. But I understand where you are coming at, perhaps it is because major military nations poses A-Bombs. I guess, if they are democratic countries we have no choice but to hope that their citizens can prevent it from getting used; My real worry i…

> I guess, if they are democratic countries we have no choice but to hope that their citizens can prevent it from getting used; There exist no country in the world where citizens have any say on nuclear weapon use. "Pseudo democracy" is the norm.

I didn't mean, they have a say in pushing the button. But, they have a say in electing someone who maintains restraint and not a warmonger.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by my123 »

porker wrote: post #100
Tepix wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pressure in general. Look at what ARM has gone through in the last months.

> Look at what ARM has gone through in the last months. What has it gone through? I haven't seen any news stories specifically about this.

https://news.yahoo.com/uk-chip-designer-arm-complying-u-rule...

They resumed after the ban was kinda temporarily suspended... but there's a risk.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by SiempreViernes »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #87
pgeorgi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case Switzerland seems to be a pretty good choice: compulsory military service, difficult terrain, nuclear power plants (and with them the infrastructure to build the bomb)

Conscription is not as effective as a regular volunteer force. Atomic weapons or other WMD goes against the ethos of neutral countries which traditionally are pro-Human Rights. But I understand where you are coming at, perhaps it is because major military nations poses A-Bombs. I guess, if they are democratic countries we have no choice but to hope that their citizens can prevent it from getting used; My real worry i…

The the short form of nuclear weapons is conventionally a-bomb.

A n-bomb is more likely to refer to use of a slavery related term, and is very frequently used in some circles which include the current US president. So demonstrably democracy does not prevent the use of n-bombs, which happens to be true historically for a-bombs as well (which were used by a democracy essentially because the war wasn't over by the time they've built the thing).

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

Tepix wrote: post #96
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #12

I appreciate and welcome this move by RISC-V foundation. With semiconductor industry being used as a major soft power, countries which don't have such power betting on RISC-V[1], it's wise to move to a neutral country. My only gripe being, there aren't many neutral countries which can stand up to powerful militarized nations. Edit: The reason, I mentioned lack of military power of neutral countries is because of the…

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

Interestingly, the US would also have an obligation to defend The Hague against any invasion if the Netherlands were to invoke Article Five of the NATO treaty.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

#110

Post by Abishek_Muthian »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #108
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conscription is not as effective as a regular volunteer force. Atomic weapons or other WMD goes against the ethos of neutral countries which traditionally are pro-Human Rights. But I understand where you are coming at, perhaps it is because major military nations poses A-Bombs. I guess, if they are democratic countries we have no choice but to hope that their citizens can prevent it from getting used; My real worry i…

The the short form of nuclear weapons is conventionally a-bomb. A n-bomb is more likely to refer to use of a slavery related term, and is very frequently used in some circles which include the current US president. So demonstrably democracy does not prevent the use of n-bombs, which happens to be true historically for a-bombs as well (which were used by a democracy essentially because the war wasn't over by the time…

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>which were used by a democracy essentially because the war wasn't over by the time they've built the thing).

But the same U.S. President Harry S. Truman relieved General of the Army Douglas MacArthur when he wanted to drop A-Bomb on China during the Korean War.

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