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RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Switzerland has been around as a (relatively) small government democracy for quite a while. There are regular direct democracy polls on spending and taxes.

Switzerland also doesn't have many poor people.

classic understatement but yes it helps to have a population that is well off, educated and can wisely make the decision.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland has been around as a (relatively) small government democracy for quite a while. There are regular direct democracy polls on spending and taxes.

Switzerland also doesn't have many poor people.

Switzerland used to be quite poor until not long ago. It was a mostly subsistence farming country, and throughout the 1800s, it was a nation that people emigrated from.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Great work. Let over politicized countries fight each other while the rest of the world moves ahead. >“The Chinese Communist Party is trying to circumvent our export control system to support national security threats like Huawei - we cannot let it succeed,” Representative Mike Gallagher, a Republican from Wisconsin, told Reuters. I mean, one cannot make this more obvious. The rest of the world really doesn't want to…

The rest of the world is doing the exact same thing. Sovereign nations should control their own technical infrastructure and not rely on American, Chinese, Russian or European technology.

Open source is certainly a big step in the right direction toward a world where we can better rely on technology. But we're not there yet, when it comes to hardware.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland has been around as a (relatively) small government democracy for quite a while. There are regular direct democracy polls on spending and taxes.

Switzerland also doesn't have many poor people.

7% doesn't sound insignificant and is roughly comparable to other highly developed European countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Switzerland

Also, local reporting on Swiss poverty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yI4ygNr5Mg

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were. I bet every single large tech company in the US has rather substantial numbers of Chinese (and other countries') spies embedded within it. They also get caught again, and again, and again. And remember it's only the idiots who carry secrets on their person that get caught, rather than just upload data straight to some servers in China. I bet…

> But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were You can though, it's called defecting. There's a long history of it. E.g. see this list of defectors from the soviet union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Blo...

Chinese intelligence defectors, even very high profile ones tend to not live for very long: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/business/hna-chairman-wan...

Place bets on how long this guy will survive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk. I strongly suspect he won't last a year.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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I was just reading on the state of union memo released this past September by the RISC-V foundation. I'm kind of curious how the economics works. I was under the impression that a good chunk of the funding came from US tax payer money (a mixture of UC Berkeley and DARPA). I know that RISC-V is starting to become more popular so they're definitely self fundable in the near future by many other means. I'm curious if the funding methodology from the US gov will change as the globalization landscape changes in the coming years.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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What exactly did people expect to happen with this bizarre trade war? Instead of pressuring 'bad actor' countries with more free trade and something like TPP, levying pointless tariffs was obviously going to drive any joint international groups overseas. Just brainless stuff.

That attitude certainly is encouraged by the DNC and mainstream media, but the reality is that China's economy is far more vulnerable to the trade war than ours and we have put ourselves in a great position of leverage over China as a result. What's truly brainless is thinking we can just bury our heads in the sand and ignore an ever expanding Totalitarian dictatorship bent on becoming the world's most powerful count…

> What's truly brainless is thinking we can just bury our heads in the sand and ignore an ever expanding Totalitarian dictatorship bent on becoming the world's most powerful country.

I'd be more in line with this reasoning if the intent of the trade war was to incentivize better moral outcomes. This war won't end in China becoming less of a totalitarian power, nor will it stop China growing as an economic power. The real worry, is if China become even more powerful, and technologically advanced, but without the expense of having to provide human rights and freedoms, those rights and freedoms will be compromised for all other countries that now need to compete at the same level. The casualties will be workers' rights and welfare all over the world.

If the US administration wants to bring people, and the populations of other countries on-side with this trade war, it needs to be working towards an even playing field. I don't see how what the US is doing now is making this happen. In the short term they are weakening the domestic economy which simply can't replicate the manufacturing infrastructure of China, and alienating itself from the rest of the world.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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What exactly did people expect to happen with this bizarre trade war? Instead of pressuring 'bad actor' countries with more free trade and something like TPP, levying pointless tariffs was obviously going to drive any joint international groups overseas. Just brainless stuff.

TPP was cancer. Every rich nation in the world profited off of precisely the kind of IP theft which TPP aimed to punish. It was kicking away the ladder which the U.S. U.K. France, South Korea and others had climbed before anyone else could get up it.

Liberal economics reeks of colonialism. "As above so below, everything in its rightful place. Let mexico grow avocados and let india make t-shirts and let the chinese build semiconductors. Lets's put all these people in their rightful places and engineer foreign policy to make sure they stay there forever."

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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You’d probably call me a leftist although I don’t have any group that I would feel at home with. It is quite hard for me to find any idiot in my friends circles that would defend the soviets or sympathize with them. As somebody who studied philosophy and reads quite a lot I can assure you that the amount of left intellectuals who are still defending the SU is equally low — at least in Europe.

So what you are postulating here seems to be colored strongly by your own world view and where you live. Instead of offering us a interesting new perspective that would help leftists to leave their own bubbles, your comment seems to only show your own lack of experience in that area. You might have missed for example that “the left” is usually much more fractured and less uniform than the right: most things you could validly criticise have pretty certainly already been criticised by another left fraction or even within one fraction. So doing as if there was any unified opinion here says rather more about your own bias than anything of substance about the other side.

Many US observers often seem to paint a black and white picture of what is much more nuanced. E.g. saying that everybody who doesn’t support the silly ideas of your president is automatically on the side of the Russians certainly boldly outlines your views, but suffers from the significant disadvantage of not describing reality. Let me assure you: especially conservative Europeans are fed up with how the US acts on trade lately.

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