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It’s hard for Americans to take a high moral ground given that conduct.
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It’s hard for Americans to take a high moral ground given that conduct.
No it’s not and the false equivalency is incredibly destructive. It must be possible for countries to judge others without being perfect themselves. South Africa was forced to capitulate due to international pressure. They took the moral high ground, even though their race relations at home were deeply troubled. But they could do that because people understood that there was a hierarchy of wrongs and racial profiling…
What's bad for the world is that American also does this. It is imperative to future generations' well-being that the world comes to look more like countries that do this better than America, not that the world comes to look more like America.
Moral leadership starts in your own house, and then when you have a particular issue dealt with then you can go and point your little finger at others.
In the meantime, there is plenty that America does well, this particular subject is not one of those.
South Africa was not put under pressure by countries that themselves practiced Apartheid. It would have been farcical if it had been.
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Mine did, yes. Grew up in rural Midwest US in the 80s. We walked in lines on a schedule for bio breaks. We had to “shut a door respectfully” basically library rules for the sake of others. Our school had 25-30 kids per class. How else does one manage that? If you really needed to go you could and this article does not say that’s explicitly disallowed. I think you’re losing the forest for a tree here. The problem is t…
Hiding green accounts (tons of automated pro-China posts by Chinese bots) will be much helpful here.
You don't have to be generally pro-China to be fully in support of what China is doing. You can hate the Uighers (Muslims) even if you also hate China. When you see your enemies fighting, you can pick the side you find to be less-bad or you can just cheer the fight in the hope that both suffer.
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You're agreeing that they did a terrible job if they allowed the Taliban to infiltrate the country on such a large scale.
Do you think the west would do any better if the Taliban were literally on the border?
I don't know if the West would succeed, but other countries have certainly dealt with terrorism problems without building giant camps and tossing much of the population inside.
What I find chilling is that Uigher children are being kidnapped from their families and sent to barbed wire enclosed camps as well[1]. There, they are subjected to CCP brainwashing[2]. [1] https://youtu.be/v7AYyUqrMuQ?t=1791 [2] https://youtu.be/v7AYyUqrMuQ?t=1826
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This is a lie, and I hope you’re banned for spreading Chinese state propaganda. There is nothing here that justifies the internment of hundreds of thousands of people, including children. The Chinese communist party is a disease.
I know this thread is a wretched flamewar in which nearly every comment deserves some sort of moderation, but amid all that, this post really stands out. If you're going to walk into the flames like this, please be better than them, not worse. There's no substantive point that can't be made within the site guidelines.
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> The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed My school was like that when I was growing up. I'm not justifying what China is doing, and I didn't like it myself. But I find it weird to find it quoted here like that.
But you chose to only select a portion of the text. The second sentence is useful, too: "Implement behavioural norms and discipline requirements for getting up, roll call, washing, going to the toilet, organising and housekeeping, eating, studying, sleeping, closing the door and so forth" My school was like that when I was growing up. Your school proscribed when you go to the toilet and how to close a door?
Then what's the point of quoting the the first portion?
We had things from the second part too, we were also forced to pray and sing the national anthem (otherwise we'd be disciplined and punished), but the first quoted part was exactly like that.
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> The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed My school was like that when I was growing up. I'm not justifying what China is doing, and I didn't like it myself. But I find it weird to find it quoted here like that.
But the reality is this: you had the option to leave, they don’t. You survived, they probably won’t.
And the fact I survived while they might not has nothing to do with the things I quoted.
The documents reveal how every aspect of a detainee's life is monitored and controlled: "The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed. "Implement behavioural norms and discipline requirements for getting up, roll call, washing, going to the toilet, organising and housekeeping, eating…
> The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed My school was like that when I was growing up. I'm not justifying what China is doing, and I didn't like it myself. But I find it weird to find it quoted here like that.
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Which rate are you using on gulags? Both the Gulag Archipelago and Black Book of Communism have been disregarded by modern historians due to blatant inaccuracies.
Let’s use the Gulag administration’s own numbers. One and a half million. How’s the death rate in the US prison system, then?
If you look at Table 8, the death rate for 45-54 year olds in state prisons in 2014 was 342 per 100,000. For the 45-54 age group as a whole, the mortality rate was about 400 per 100,000. Note that the figure for prisons is mostly men, while the figures for the whole population is both men and women.
Accounting for the gender difference, the prison population has a lower death rate than the general population at the same age group. The difference is especially noticeable among younger prisoners. In the 25-35 demographic, the death rate in prison is 1/4 the general population. This is not surprising. Prisoners eat a controlled diet, they don’t drive, they have limited exposure to occupational hazards, etc.
All causes mortality rate in US prisons is higher than Germany or France, but comparable to Sweden and Switzerland at around 27.5 per 10,000 (note difference in denominator). http://www.statewatch.org/news/2017/apr/coe-annual-prison-st... (table 13)