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Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Most of today's elite countries have unspeakable atrocities under their belt, even if you only consider the post-1900 modern era.

As do plenty of non-elite countries. What's your point? The Aztecs, for example, were practising human sacrifice until the Europeans pitched up. And in Papua New Guinea they were still eating people within living memory. I could also mention Cambodia, Rwanda - but I suppose that's all the West's fault as well.

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This is exactly how American education is structured. What are we doing to our children?

Teach them that they live in a society, and so they have certain responsibilities, limits, and roles, as opposed to being mere individuals that can do whatever they please, others be damned? Sorry, but the Chinese have camps for ethnic (or religious) targeted detention and/or brainwashing. This is nothing like "what we do" in education, American or otherwise, and the similarities (the students having a specific desk,…

Your reasoning has always been the justification for the horrors of re-education camps.

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Mine did, yes. Grew up in rural Midwest US in the 80s. We walked in lines on a schedule for bio breaks. We had to “shut a door respectfully” basically library rules for the sake of others. Our school had 25-30 kids per class. How else does one manage that? If you really needed to go you could and this article does not say that’s explicitly disallowed. I think you’re losing the forest for a tree here. The problem is t…

Hiding green accounts (tons of automated pro-China posts by Chinese bots) will be much helpful here.

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously

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Read up on our prisons. Like, what metric do you want to use? I'll let you pick.

Mortality rate.

Which rate are you using on gulags? Both the Gulag Archipelago and Black Book of Communism have been disregarded by modern historians due to blatant inaccuracies.

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This is a lie, and I hope you’re banned for spreading Chinese state propaganda. There is nothing here that justifies the internment of hundreds of thousands of people, including children. The Chinese communist party is a disease.

Uhigurs were literally picked up by the US in northern alliance training camps. How is that propaganda?

You’re defending the internment of hundreds of thousands of people including children because some Uhigurs were picked up by the US in Northern Alliance training camps?

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Most of today's elite countries have unspeakable atrocities under their belt, even if you only consider the post-1900 modern era.

As do plenty of non-elite countries. What's your point? The Aztecs, for example, were practising human sacrifice until the Europeans pitched up. And in Papua New Guinea they were still eating people within living memory. I could also mention Cambodia, Rwanda - but I suppose that's all the West's fault as well.

Eat a couple of “enemies” is way better than mass incarceration in my opinion. I mean it’s just meat and only a few dozen people were killed...

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It was more complicated than that: the Polish government in exile knew at least as early as 1940 and by at least 1942 those had been corroborated by allies and there were official reports presented to allied governments, the UN, and covered in major newspapers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mass_Extermination_of_Jews... https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1942/02/13/852... The catch, of course, is that…

There were rumours of the atrocities, but probably the first public testimonies were the Auschwitz Protocols, based on first-hand experiences of a few concentration camp escapees. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_Protocols )

Read the document which was the subject of my first link and ask whether rumor was an appropriate word to describe an official report to the UN with eyewitness accounts:

https://archive.org/details/TheMassExterminationOfJewsInGerm...

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It’s hard for Americans to take a high moral ground given that conduct.

No it’s not and the false equivalency is incredibly destructive. It must be possible for countries to judge others without being perfect themselves. South Africa was forced to capitulate due to international pressure. They took the moral high ground, even though their race relations at home were deeply troubled. But they could do that because people understood that there was a hierarchy of wrongs and racial profiling in the justice system, while bad, wasn’t as bad as de jure segregation.

When you say, well if America does something bad it has no business judging others, you destroy the ability to objectively assess right and wrong, wrong and very wrong, and bad from worse. It’s like gouging one of your eyes out and losing your depth perception. There are billions of people whose lives would be immeasurably improved if their countries were more like America (even with its faults). America can help those people, by showing moral leadership and acting from the moral high ground. It is imperative to the prosperity of future generations that the world come to look more like America and not like communist China. The “America is just as bad” rhetoric maybe makes you seem cool at parties with other moral relativists, but it’s bad for the world.

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Mortality rate.

Which rate are you using on gulags? Both the Gulag Archipelago and Black Book of Communism have been disregarded by modern historians due to blatant inaccuracies.

Let’s use the Gulag administration’s own numbers. One and a half million.

How’s the death rate in the US prison system, then?

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