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Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Re: Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Could you please stop creating accounts for every few comments you post? We ban accounts that do that. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . HN is a community. Users needn't use their real name, but do need some identity for others to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/…

Stop shadow banning them and I’ll stop creating them. I keep noticing from other browsers that comments never show up so I start over. Also apparently my home IP is on some list and so I hop on LTE. Your own enforcement efforts seem to at least partly responsible for pushing me into this behavior.

Sure, happy to do that. Can you email hn@ycombinator.com so we can figure the details?

Re: Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Mine did, yes. Grew up in rural Midwest US in the 80s. We walked in lines on a schedule for bio breaks. We had to “shut a door respectfully” basically library rules for the sake of others. Our school had 25-30 kids per class. How else does one manage that? If you really needed to go you could and this article does not say that’s explicitly disallowed. I think you’re losing the forest for a tree here. The problem is t…

Our school had 25-30 kids per class. How else does one manage that? Dunno. The teachers (nuns, priests, and monks) in my East Coast elementary school had 30-45 students per class, and somehow we didn't run amok. (Yes, 45 was not an uncommon number. When your performance in class is publicly ranked weekly you become acutely aware of how many students are in the class.)

What even is the point of contrasting the choices your school made with the ones mine made?

To highlight the relative nature of local custom? Is this supposed to be some validation of one or the other?

What do you suppose the odds are you’re not entirely remembering every time you got in a line with the entire class for a bathroom trip?

We weren’t as organized as the article suggests the kids in question are. You only asked about trips to the bathroom.

Re: Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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This is exactly how American education is structured. What are we doing to our children?

Teach them that they live in a society, and so they have certain responsibilities, limits, and roles, as opposed to being mere individuals that can do whatever they please, others be damned? Sorry, but the Chinese have camps for ethnic (or religious) targeted detention and/or brainwashing. This is nothing like "what we do" in education, American or otherwise, and the similarities (the students having a specific desk,…

I do think that GP made a gross overstatement, but I don't think the similarities are irrelevant and/or superficial. These are the same tactics being used (to a lesser extent and in a different context) towards a similar behavioral end. Reflecting on that might be worthwhile. Even if you decide that they are worth using to some extent to bring about whatever ends you desire, you should at least know the devil you're dancing with.

Re: Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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The White Sea & Baltic Canal was dug by hand by Gulag prisoners. You can't be serious? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#Conditions

We have hard labor. That's why the 13th amendment makes an exemption to the ban on slavery for prisoners. In the gulags that effort was at least spent on public works projects, here it's to make rich people slightly richer with next to free labor.

There's hard labor and then there's "Among the prisoners there are some so ragged and liceridden that they pose a sanitary danger to the rest. These prisoners have deteriorated to the point of losing any resemblance to human beings. Lacking food . . . they collect orts [refuse] and, according to some prisoners, eat rats and dogs."

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This is a lie, and I hope you’re banned for spreading Chinese state propaganda. There is nothing here that justifies the internment of hundreds of thousands of people, including children. The Chinese communist party is a disease.

Uhigurs were literally picked up by the US in northern alliance training camps. How is that propaganda?

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The Chinese government must have done a truly terrible job these last few decades, if they have so many radicals. One wonders why people tolerate such abysmal leadership.

These are families with heads of households did things like train with the Taliban across the border.

You're agreeing that they did a terrible job if they allowed the Taliban to infiltrate the country on such a large scale.

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But you chose to only select a portion of the text. The second sentence is useful, too: "Implement behavioural norms and discipline requirements for getting up, roll call, washing, going to the toilet, organising and housekeeping, eating, studying, sleeping, closing the door and so forth" My school was like that when I was growing up. Your school proscribed when you go to the toilet and how to close a door?

Mine did, yes. Grew up in rural Midwest US in the 80s. We walked in lines on a schedule for bio breaks. We had to “shut a door respectfully” basically library rules for the sake of others. Our school had 25-30 kids per class. How else does one manage that? If you really needed to go you could and this article does not say that’s explicitly disallowed. I think you’re losing the forest for a tree here. The problem is t…

Hiding green accounts (tons of automated pro-China posts by Chinese bots) will be much helpful here.

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These are families with heads of households did things like train with the Taliban across the border.

You're agreeing that they did a terrible job if they allowed the Taliban to infiltrate the country on such a large scale.

Do you think the west would do any better if the Taliban were literally on the border?
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