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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by Angostura »

NotATroll wrote: post #385
nilkn wrote: post #344

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If I could play high-end complex modern AAA games like RDR2 on my iPad Pro while traveling, I think there's a valuable proposition there. But ironically that's exactly the area where Stadia falls flat: internet connections are weak or nonexistent while traveling, and currently it's not even usable from an iPad.

This is the thing I don't get. Who precisely is this concept even marketable to? People with high speed internet, that also can't afford a gaming console? But can afford a device capable of handling all of the inputs & playback of the video. So lets low ball and say a $140 chromebook. + the cost of the games. How many people is this? Genuinely.

Well, as a desktop Mac user, I'd be very interested.

Of course its not available for Mac (yet).

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by benhurmarcel »

glangdale wrote: post #556
msh wrote: post #430

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Well I bought stadia. With 3 young kids and a busy job i don't have a lot of time to game so I want something where I can just sit down and game. No wasting time downloading/installing games. No patches. Just games ready to play. A second point, sometimes i play coop games with my wife. Its nice not needing 2 consoles or gaming pc's. One can play on the TV and the other on a tablet or cheap laptop.

I don't doubt your motivation here and am not going to sit her and debunk your thought process - but I do wonder how many people match your template, which seems to be "people who want to play AAA games but not very much". I game on PC, my kids use PC and consoles, and I can't say that "downloading/installing games" is a significant time sink - and if your network isn't good, Stadia isn't going to work either. The ot…

I think it has it can have its uses, even if it's not great for every single situation.

For example, say you want to play a particular new game but don't have the hardware for it. Stadia could be a good option to quickly get to play without having to buy new hardware.

Say I have a decent PC for most days and small games, but I'd like to try the new Forza Horizon because it looks fun. I could very well get it on Stadia. I'm not worried about losing access in 10 years, it's just to have some fun for a few months.

Actually for games with pretty high requirements such as the future Microsoft Flight Simulator, streaming could be the best option for most people.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by robertony »

anoncake wrote: post #615
monocasa wrote: post #353

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But for stadia, where the game licenses, executables, and probably save games probably can't be exported legally, how does one provide a migration paths once Google inevitably says "servers are shutting down in three months. You will lose access to everything on that date. We will give you a month free or something that in no way makes up for the service shutting down and you losing everything"

I think the GDPR makes it illegal to not allow exporting save games. Resolving that conflict would be Google's problem.

That would be fine under GDPR actually.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by lokedhs »

JauntTrooper wrote: post #435
Waterluvian wrote: post #304

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> "...it costs money, the service costs a monthly fee, and on top of it you have to buy the games." WHAT? I've been under a rock and I assumed that it was a service where you buy a controller, already own a streaming device (or maybe the controller has the device in it), and pay monthly for the whole service. You have to buy the games too? That is an immediate about-face for me. If they shut down the service then I j…

I agree, if they had launched a subscription service to a large catalog of games that would have been really something -- like how Netflix created an alternative to the buy/rent single titles model. I suspect they didn't have enough clout with development studios to create that pricing structure. As an example, Assassin's Creed: Odyssey is $59.99 on Stadia ($39.99 with subscription for 4K). On Steam it's currently $5…

Perhaps. But I just decided to look at Google Play Movies for the first time in years, and to watching some Avengers movie on there is 18 SGD (approx. 12 EUR). For one movie.

I'm not saying their Games strategy will mirror the one taken for Movies, but I'd advice waiting to see what will happen.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by robertony »

40acres wrote: post #174

I understand the cynicism of this community to Stadia but implore you all to think a little broader. Stadia is different, with this product Google is trying something really innovative. For one, the fact that Stadia actually costs money should be a signal of Google's long term ambition here. Yes, Fiber also cost money but was bogged down by the hell that is infrastructure development. Stadia will require a substantia…

Could you explain to me what is innovative about Google offering you fields to enter your social details on your Stadia profile for AIM, MSN, YIM, etc... And could you explain why they won't put fields for Google Talk, Google Wave, Buzz, Huddle, Google+ Messenger, Google Hangouts, Messenger, Google Allo, Google Duo or Google Spaces?

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by benhurmarcel »

horsawlarway wrote: post #219
leoh wrote: post #56

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What?

Eh, I agree with him. I've been with gmail since middle school (going on... a LOT of years now, back when it was invite only). Somewhere in the last 10 years or so it feels like the gmail team switched from "Make a good email client" to "Shove all the enterprisey things into gmail!". It's gotten SO slow to load and is incredibly bloated. I was a happy inbox user until... drumroll... they shut that down too. I still u…

Actually for work Gmail has gotten (and is getting) better. My workplace switched from Outlook to Gmail recently and I felt like it was a net improvement.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by robertony »

whynaut wrote: post #455
nvrspyx wrote: post #323

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I don’t disagree with your main point about losing games, but the fee is strictly for Stadia Pro, which permits 4K and 5.1 surround sound. Stadia Base is free and will launch in February, but only permits up to 1080p and stereo sound. You still obviously also need to buy the games though (except F2P). They’re using the “Founder’s Edition” almost like Early Access. If you have Stadia Pro and you stop paying, you lose…

> If you have Stadia Pro and you stop paying, you lose access to the free games that are included with Pro, which right now are Destiny 2 and Samurai Showdown. This is the same as Xbox Live Gold and the Free Games with Gold. Games With Gold are actually free. You need the Gold membership to get them, but you can unsubscribe - they're yours. Edit: You may be thinking of Game Pass, which behaves in the way you describe…

Destiny 2 is free on Steam, no gold needed.

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Post by a_f »

closetohome wrote: post #494
JauntTrooper wrote: post #435

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I agree, if they had launched a subscription service to a large catalog of games that would have been really something -- like how Netflix created an alternative to the buy/rent single titles model. I suspect they didn't have enough clout with development studios to create that pricing structure. As an example, Assassin's Creed: Odyssey is $59.99 on Stadia ($39.99 with subscription for 4K). On Steam it's currently $5…

It's entirely possible this is just a licensing thing. The early days of legal movie and music downloads were an expensive mess too. I'd expect after a few years of game streaming competition someone will try to undercut the market with a Netflix model.

Microsoft is curenlty alpha testing its xcloud service by the looks of it, which encompasses exactly that. There is also the Nvidia streaming service too.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by sincerely »

Jasper_ wrote: post #601
lonelappde wrote: post #428

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If that MS approach works, why hasn't Netflix or Gog or someone already done it for any games?

Netflix has been trying to introduce interactive content to their platform for years. The latest attempt is Minecraft: Story Mode [0]. Netflix's architecture is designed around streaming static video files, on platforms without great latency guarantees. There can be gaps of up to a second when loading the next video file. Interactive UI and choicepoints are quite limited. Streaming live and streaming offline media re…

There was also that choose-your-own-adventure Black Mirror thing.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by rasz »

Semaphor wrote: post #431
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #363

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Feedly was amazingly positioned for that. Their two signature featuers were: 1.) it looked and worked almost exactly like Google Reader, and 2.) it could import your Google Reader feeds with one click. Within months of Google announcing Reader's closing, Feedly had acquired something like 8 million new users. Amazing stroke of fortune for a well-deserving product. I still happily use the free version.

2) is what almost every new service could do. And 1) I don’t understand. Feedly was one of the first ones I tried, and none of the settings I tried got me close to a headline-only view that I used in GReader. I used Newsblur for a while and am on TT-RSS nowadays. But Feedly always seemed to cater more to those people who enjoy image-heavy subreddits and full-page hero images, or pinterest. Nothing I tried with Feedly…

1) same, I found http://www.ighome.com and it looked almost like a copy of my Google setup.
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