When will Google shut down Stadia? • Hacker News Board

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by Jasper_ » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:35 AM UTC

lonelappde wrote: post #428

eternalny1 wrote: post #290

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My concern for Stadia revolves around Microsoft's upcoming offering. Apparently, Microsoft is simply going to rack-mount XBox hardware and stream it that way, which means the entire XBox library is instantly compatible. For Stadia, games have to be modified specifically for it and their Linux configuration, which limits what games are announced for the platform, and requires engineering effort.

If that MS approach works, why hasn't Netflix or Gog or someone already done it for any games?

Netflix has been trying to introduce interactive content to their platform for years. The latest attempt is Minecraft: Story Mode [0]. Netflix's architecture is designed around streaming static video files, on platforms without great latency guarantees. There can be gaps of up to a second when loading the next video file. Interactive UI and choicepoints are quite limited.

Streaming live and streaming offline media require very different infrastructure.

[0] https://www.netflix.com/title/80227995

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by hipjiveguy » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:50 AM UTC

Google understands that the Xbox is what keeps Windows alive, and making $$$ for MS.

They want to get into the gaming industry, but take a gordian knot solution. They don't want to compete against consoles. They want to be a console for computers, regardless of OS.

Do they kill things? Yes. But, if those things are making billions.

Video games make billions.

Survey says?

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by pytester » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 1:55 AM UTC

WorldMaker wrote: post #406

pytester wrote: post #261

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>Thousands or millions of people used Hangouts, Google Reader, Google Code, or Picasa - they'd have been considered big YC successes. Other than google reader I doubt any of these would have gotten traction at all without big g behind them.

Picasa: Smug Mug/Flickr is rather highly valuated again today, now that they are free of the curse of Yahoo! Instagram and Snapchat are a part of this game now too. Google Code: GitHub sold to Microsoft for a good chunk of change. GitLab, Bitbucket, Source Hut, all seem to be doing fine. Hangouts: Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, WeChat, Facebook Portal, Matrix/Riot.im, iMessage, Skype is maybe back…

I'm not denying that the market exists. I'm denying that the product google launched in these cases was comparable to the competition. Google code, for instance, was SO inferior to github that comparing the two is actually kind of funny.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by musicale » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 2:04 AM UTC

I liked the halloween google graveyard: https://twitter.com/leftoblique/status/1179476277549400064

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by musicale » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 2:17 AM UTC

Perhaps they will switch to an LTS model for some services, committing to at least 5 years of support.

For comparison in the game industry, Sony has publicly committed to 10 years of support for each numbered PlayStation console generation, and that seems to have worked out pretty well, with generations spaced about 7 years apart.

(Sadly the PSVita/PSTV didn't get that support, nor did some services like PlayStation Vue, PlayStation Home, or Qore; also many multiplayer game servers have shut down after a couple of years, rendering the games unplayable online.)

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by tandr » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 2:50 AM UTC

tasty_freeze wrote: post #391

This is a grammatical nitpick, but I see it over and over and over. The title says "When Will Google Shutdown Stadia?" It should be "Shut Down", which is a verb phrase. A "Shutdown" is a noun, eg, "There will be a shutdown in March." Another common example of this: You need to log in. (long in == verb) What is your login. (login == noun)

"I think your post has a grammatical error."

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by rtkwe » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 3:11 AM UTC

akmarinov wrote: post #593

rtkwe wrote: post #539

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Oh yeah the whole thing is kind of a shit show right now but that's what they're pitching so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for the moment and treating this like one big early access trial for the minute. From all indications this launch came in incredibly hot with the lineup doubling at the last minute, almost as if they had some last minute major issues with some of their Linux ports.

Two of those games are motion type games (dance, exercise). The stadia controller doesn’t have motion controls. Those games are useless, who’ll pay $60 for them?

You use your phone for those iirc.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 3:17 AM UTC

ddtaylor wrote: post #229

gameswithgo wrote: post #199

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> Google is trying something really innovative This kind of thing has been around for nearly 10 years.

Yup. OnLive tried it with similar results. There are many markets where 10ms - 20ms latency doesn't matter that much, but realtime gaming isn't one of them. It's extremely disorienting to play a game with even the slightest framebuffer lag.

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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by TMWNN » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 4:04 AM UTC

teh_klev wrote: post #600

TMWNN wrote: post #581

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I am pretty sure that I tried Feedly in the post-"Oh no, Google Reader is going away!" panic everyone else using the service was in at the time, and like you I could not replicate the feel. The Old Reader was the closest alternative I found among the several I tried, but soon afterwards Inoreader appeared with a very, very, very close-to-Google Reader feel, and I've been extremely happy on it ever since. (If only Ino…

Thanks for the link, but sadly... iOS App - Android App - Windows Phone App Not interested unless there's a plain old HTML over the web thing which Reader did well.

If you'd watched the demonstration video, by 0:34 in you'd have seen that Inoreader is indeed Web-based. I've never used any phone app for it.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by bdefore » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 4:29 AM UTC

ddtaylor wrote: post #229

gameswithgo wrote: post #199

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> Google is trying something really innovative This kind of thing has been around for nearly 10 years.

Yup. OnLive tried it with similar results. There are many markets where 10ms - 20ms latency doesn't matter that much, but realtime gaming isn't one of them. It's extremely disorienting to play a game with even the slightest framebuffer lag.

I think the experience will vary quite significantly, the surface is quite large. For Stadia launch, I created a crowdsourcing reports site and am hoping that we can get a better understanding through others' experiences.

https://www.cloudgamingdb.com/