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It's read-only in the same sense as a jpeg or an mp3 are read-only — it's a format designed for publishing, rather than editing, data.
When you print a word document to PDF the actual text, placement, and fonts are all embedded in the pdf. It may have been designed for publishing, but it's pretty simple to edit text in it.
The Editable PDF Initiative
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Re: The Editable PDF Initiative
#142PDF is a publishing, rather than an editing format. It belongs in the same bucket as .mp3 and .jpg, rather than the .doc and .psd bucket. This is not about how easy or how hard it is to modify a pdf, it's about the intended purpose. The fact that it's meant for publishing means we get to optimise it as such, both in terms of simplicity of the format itself, and in terms of the tools that interact with it. This makes…
If editing PDFs is something you find yourself needing to do regularly, something is very wrong with the process that's leading to this. It may not be your fault, it may be an upstream party who should be providing you with the source material, but either way making PDFs easier to edit is not the correct solution.
Re: The Editable PDF Initiative
#143The PDF file format is anachronous. When the format was created, computers only had a few KBs of RAM. Yet the format should be capable of editing documents with thousand of pages. The format solves this issue by delegating the memory management to the user. Also, the file was made with the assumption it was suppose to be printed, not shared. It is easier to hide parts of the document instead of removing the data. A f…
> When the format was created, computers only had a few KBs of RAM. Yet the format should be capable of editing documents with thousand of pages. The format solves this issue by delegating the memory management to the user. That's a good decision. Make the file format versatile and powerful. Don't constrain it by the limitations of contemporary hardware. > Also, the file was made with the assumption it was supposed t…
With the entry removal example, I was trying to show the format was not meant not to be shared. I know it is possible to remove data in other ways, and that probably every modern editor removes the data correctly. But it was not how the format itself deals with it. Of course, hiding entries with the flag had others uses such only print only the pages you currently working on without having to rescan the whole file.
I agree most devs don't have interest in learning how to do typesetting. But also, typesetting is quite complex by itself, specially when dealing with non western language. Luckily, projects such Harfbuzz (nowadays, hb is used even my emacs) makes it a lot easier.
Like I said in my original post, the format is anachronous. I don't think the format is intrinsically bad, I just think the format is not right for your time. I think we can do better nowadays.
PS: I've been thinking, it would be pretty cool to talk with the engineering team that worked on the first spec, and actually know what they were thinking back them and what they would change in it nowadays.
Re: The Editable PDF Initiative
#144The PDF file format is anachronous. When the format was created, computers only had a few KBs of RAM. Yet the format should be capable of editing documents with thousand of pages. The format solves this issue by delegating the memory management to the user. Also, the file was made with the assumption it was suppose to be printed, not shared. It is easier to hide parts of the document instead of removing the data. A f…
> computers only had a few KBs of RAM. I don't think this is right. Postscript maybe ... but PDF in my experience came about in the 90s, when computers typically had between 4 and 16MB of RAM ...
Re: The Editable PDF Initiative
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This isn't about security, it's about making sure that a text document is formatted exactly the same on all devices, whether it's a PC, a phone or a printer. The PDF file is reliable in that aspect while other widely used document formats like .doc and .docx are basically a gamble, even if you open the document on the same machine with the same software. The same with presentations: You just need to open the file in…
By your argument, PDF fails. I can provide examples of PDFs that look different on different devices.
By your argument, any programming language, no much how safe it purports to be, fails because they allow you to write bugs.
Re: The Editable PDF Initiative
#146I prefer my PDF static, my meticulously edited LaTeX would be ruined by sticky fingers. However, something I much would like is better copy to clipboard from PDF. Non trivial input with tables and line breaks turns in to indecipherable alphabet soup...
Re: The Editable PDF Initiative
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Isn’t the main problem with XPS just software support, though?
That's huge though, you need to know you will be able to open your documents in a decade or more.
If you want to open your documents in a decade or more, redesigning a “cleaner” PDF would only make that less likely. If you want something cleaner than PDF, then XPS is already here. I don’t understand what scenario we’d have where designing a completely new format would give us better software support. So, the reason I’d see for designing a new format is if neither XPS nor PDF are good enough for some application.
Re: The Editable PDF Initiative
#148Pdf's aren't promoted as a portable editable format, but a portable, sharable, and archival format.
Why promote PDF over ODF? Is the issues of document reflow, of an editable document such an issue that they need to develop a new set of tools, and change the structure of PDF to resolve the issue, if that is the case, it seems they could contribute to resolving the issue in ODF?
Re: The Editable PDF Initiative
#149PDF is a publishing, rather than an editing format. It belongs in the same bucket as .mp3 and .jpg, rather than the .doc and .psd bucket. This is not about how easy or how hard it is to modify a pdf, it's about the intended purpose. The fact that it's meant for publishing means we get to optimise it as such, both in terms of simplicity of the format itself, and in terms of the tools that interact with it. This makes…
This doesn't break the simplicity of the PDF, while making it easy to edit.
Re: The Editable PDF Initiative
#150I'm going to add an unsolicited plug for PDFEscape, which effectively lets you "edit" any PDF: https://www.pdfescape.com/ It's an online service that lets you upload PDFs, then edit fields, add text, upload and paste images like your signature, etc. Perfect for filling out tedious paper application forms without having to deal with printing & scanning. I have no connection other than as a satisfied user, and in fact…
It also does PDF editing perfectly. I really hope there will be some open source version of it at some point. Or that someone's working on one.