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Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by chc »

johndubchak wrote: post #200
atonse wrote: post #68

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Said it better than I could've – there are some pretty obvious reasons why Rambo's account could've been suspended, the clear violation of NDAs being the main one, with him publishing information about unreleased products. I'm honestly kind of surprised they let him keep his Developer account all this time. My bigger issue here is the complete lack of transparency or visibility into the process. It's this kind of stu…

> I strongly support some government action to change the current state of affairs with regards to the App Store being the only way to get apps on iOS A very slippery slope that will not end well for anyone, i.e. Apple, end users, and developers included. This is something I wouldn't advocate for personally and I'm not an Apple fanboi. I don't particularly care for the closed ecosystem but it does create security adv…

Can you be concrete about what security vulnerabilities you think it would introduce if Apple were forced to deal fairly with people? I don't think anybody's advocating for Apple to put viruses on the App Store.

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Post by fjabre »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #314
fjabre wrote: post #267

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I see. So Apple watches, iPads, and iPhones & other devices owning at least half the US market isn't a monopoly whatsoever? When does one qualify to become a monopoly? Must they own 90% of the market to be considered one? I wonder what would happen if they kicked Uber of the platform.

> I see. So Apple watches, iPads, and iPhones & other devices owning at least half the US market They don't. Not in the US, not in phones[1] or watches[2]. They may have the majority market share in US tablets. > isn't a monopoly whatsoever? No, not even if that was true. Monopoly doesn't mean "any company I don't like." You're acting like "Apple isn't a monopoly" means "there's no problems with Apple at all." Monopo…

Legal definitions change all the time and laws are updated.

Monopoly means whatever the decision of the high court says it means and that is squared with the legislative.

There are no hard and fast rules in litigation or civil law.

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Post by pdonis »

fjabre wrote: post #309
pdonis wrote: post #285

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> Government needs to get involved. I don't see how this would improve the situation, and it would most likely make it worse. > Devs have absolutely no recourse against this monopoly. Devs have no right to demand that Apple let them into their ecosystem. It belongs to Apple. The ultimate dev recourse is not to go complaining to the government but to build their own ecosystem that out-competes Apple's. Good luck.

Out compete Apple? You cant be serious. Unless you have a phone that uses quantum entanglement to communicate at FTL no one is out competing Apple anytime soon.

> uses quantum entanglement to communicate at FTL

Quantum entanglement doesn't actually allow you to do that; you can't use it to transmit information FTL.

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Post by [deleted] »

pdonis wrote: post #369
fjabre wrote: post #309

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Out compete Apple? You cant be serious. Unless you have a phone that uses quantum entanglement to communicate at FTL no one is out competing Apple anytime soon.

> Out compete Apple? You cant be serious. And if that's the answer, then devs who don't like how Apple manages their ecosystem should simply go find some other kind of coding to do.

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Post by mark-r »

ryandrake wrote: post #184
FussyZeus wrote: post #120

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This is impossible at scale and a waste of a companies' time. Apple doesn't care if your account is reinstated. Odds are (just like the author here) you know exactly why your account is suspended. If you honestly don't, then you didn't do your due diligence in signing up. And, even if they cited whatever part of whatever agreement, it would just be onto the next excuse. It's a bottomless pit of arguing that solves no…

You’re downplaying the scenario where you are banned, legitimately do not know why, and have good intentions. All moderation and enforcement systems will have false positives. Is there any evidence or reason to believe Apple’s false positive rate is infinitesimal, as you put it? Apple does not publish this information.

They can't publish information they don't have. If every investigation is stonewalled, there's no way to find the false positives.

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Post by thothamon »

pdonis wrote: post #280
pgaddict wrote: post #209

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Sure the primary concern for Apple is users. But it's not like the platform could exist without the ecosystem around it, which largely depends on developers publishing apps. And it's not as if the dev accounts are not subscription-based - it's not expensive and Apple does not make a ton of money on this, but it's not free either. And I don't think anyone suggests Apple should get rid of all the rules and accept anarc…

> it's not like the platform could exist without the ecosystem around it We developers would like to believe this is true, but I'm not sure it is. I don't think Apple would care if the third party developer ecosystem went away. They don't depend on it to sell their products.

I'm a very loyal Apple customer, but if they turned off all third-party apps, I'd switch to Android right away. Just flat-out.

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Post by tomxor »

cmcd wrote: post #263
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #253

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The question is whether or not Apple's control over iOS counts as a monopoly for this purpose -- do you look at iOS products as their own self-contained market, or do you look at them as "the mobile device market" that includes Android (and, at least on tablets, Windows and ChromeOS)? You can make an argument for that either way. (Personally, I wouldn't be heartbroken if Apple was forced to allow apps to be installed…

I do not think you can say Apple has a monopoly over iOS as it is a product not a market. Would be equivalent to saying Tesla has a monopoly over Tesla infotainment software, ignoring that they are only a small part of the larger automobile market. Looking at the overall phone market Apple has around 50% share in the US but only 20% globally. This is not high enough to constitute a monopoly especially when there are…

> I do not think you can say Apple has a monopoly over iOS as it is a product not a market. Would be equivalent to saying Tesla has a monopoly over Tesla infotainment software

That is an absurd comparison, Apple is one of a duopoly, there are only two mobile app marketplaces, thus, iOS is a market.

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Post by felipelemos »

FussyZeus wrote: post #120
mortenjorck wrote: post #92

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> My bigger issue here is the complete lack of transparency or visibility into the process. This is indeed the core of the problem. If Apple provided a clear citation, e.g. “the following protected information was shared under your name at this URL on this date, which violates section xyz of your developer agreement,” it would still be unfortunate, but it would be miles ahead of Apple’s maddening “for more informatio…

This is impossible at scale and a waste of a companies' time. Apple doesn't care if your account is reinstated. Odds are (just like the author here) you know exactly why your account is suspended. If you honestly don't, then you didn't do your due diligence in signing up. And, even if they cited whatever part of whatever agreement, it would just be onto the next excuse. It's a bottomless pit of arguing that solves no…

Or maybe it is because if they don't disclose the reason, you will never be able to rebut it and defend yourself. They will never lose, unless you are someone important and can have repercussions on social media.

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Post by thothamon »

FussyZeus wrote: post #190
jtcruthers wrote: post #183

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You sound insufferable. I have no doubt you have been tricked by a multibillion dollar company to moderate their site in your free time for 0 compensation. And it doesn't surprise anyone here than you don't work with the community, you just enforce the rules as strictly as you possibly can. I'm sorry your life has divulged into trying to flex the insignificant "power" you unknowingly sacrificed your free time for on…

> I have no doubt you have been tricked by a multibillion dollar company to moderate their site in your free time for 0 compensation. Wrong. Haven't in years. Gave it up because it's thankless work. > And it doesn't surprise anyone here than you don't work with the community, you just enforce the rules as strictly as you possibly can. You don't know a thing about where I worked or the rules I enforced. You're swingin…

Sure, maybe everyone is an ungrateful SOB who doesn't appreciate you. Or, maybe you personally are a very unpleasant person to have in any position of power, and that's why moderation was so very unpleasant for you that you quit. I don't need to know much about you to know which alternative is more likely.
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