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Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by zentiggr »

FussyZeus wrote: post #149
femto113 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple rakes 30 cents off of every dollar spent In the App Store. Their end totals billions of dollars a month. They absolutely could do this “at scale”.

Actually you're right, it is possible, but it's also not remotely worth it. I've been working with online communities for decades, and every person who hasn't done so has wanted to provide reasons, to provide explanations, and I will tell you in exactly every single interaction I've had when someone's account on whatever platform had to be terminated, that all they do is argue. I didn't do that. It wasn't that bad. B…

But in how many cases is there no actual wrongdoing/misuse/rulebreaking, but an internal mistake, blind application of filtering that catches someone inadvertently, or a vindictive employee cutting someone off for , and no one can tell the difference because of that no transparency?

I get the little guy means nothing, so why bother, but some level of "Yep, that was a goof, you're back, sorry" would go a long way.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by anoncake »

dkonofalski wrote: post #166
anoncake wrote: post #160

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Because punishing is how you restrict free speech. If your "free" speech has this kind of consequences, it isn't free.

"Free" speech only applies to governments limiting the free expression of their citizens. Private companies have no obligation to continue doing business with someone for any reason, especially when that individual is acting in bad faith by disparaging their business relationship.

No. Free speech (and other rights) isn't about governments but about people. Your rights aren't less violated because the violator has no democratic legitimation, that just makes it worse. The only way in which companies infringing your rights is less relevant is that companies having that ability shouldn't even exist, so making them behave is merely a band-aid.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by jtcruthers »

FussyZeus wrote: post #149
femto113 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple rakes 30 cents off of every dollar spent In the App Store. Their end totals billions of dollars a month. They absolutely could do this “at scale”.

Actually you're right, it is possible, but it's also not remotely worth it. I've been working with online communities for decades, and every person who hasn't done so has wanted to provide reasons, to provide explanations, and I will tell you in exactly every single interaction I've had when someone's account on whatever platform had to be terminated, that all they do is argue. I didn't do that. It wasn't that bad. B…

You sound insufferable. I have no doubt you have been tricked by a multibillion dollar company to moderate their site in your free time for 0 compensation. And it doesn't surprise anyone here than you don't work with the community, you just enforce the rules as strictly as you possibly can.

I'm sorry your life has divulged into trying to flex the insignificant "power" you unknowingly sacrificed your free time for on any mere user who dare break an online community rule around THE FussyZeus.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by ryandrake »

FussyZeus wrote: post #120
mortenjorck wrote: post #92

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> My bigger issue here is the complete lack of transparency or visibility into the process. This is indeed the core of the problem. If Apple provided a clear citation, e.g. “the following protected information was shared under your name at this URL on this date, which violates section xyz of your developer agreement,” it would still be unfortunate, but it would be miles ahead of Apple’s maddening “for more informatio…

This is impossible at scale and a waste of a companies' time. Apple doesn't care if your account is reinstated. Odds are (just like the author here) you know exactly why your account is suspended. If you honestly don't, then you didn't do your due diligence in signing up. And, even if they cited whatever part of whatever agreement, it would just be onto the next excuse. It's a bottomless pit of arguing that solves no…

You’re downplaying the scenario where you are banned, legitimately do not know why, and have good intentions. All moderation and enforcement systems will have false positives. Is there any evidence or reason to believe Apple’s false positive rate is infinitesimal, as you put it? Apple does not publish this information.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by dkonofalski »

benologist wrote: post #169
dkonofalski wrote: post #161

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Only if you admit in the review that you took no action whatsoever to allow them to fix whatever the issue was.

If you research that time period you will find many arbitrary rejections were being made that could not be resolved by the developer and may even have been nonsensical. https://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-app-rejections-2009-1... https://www.cnet.com/news/behind-10-eyebrow-raising-app-stor... https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3dwq8/apples-long-histor...

Read your own articles. None of the decisions were overturned as a result of a report to the media. All of them were resolved independently between Apple and the developer.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by dkonofalski »

anoncake wrote: post #182
dkonofalski wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Free" speech only applies to governments limiting the free expression of their citizens. Private companies have no obligation to continue doing business with someone for any reason, especially when that individual is acting in bad faith by disparaging their business relationship.

No. Free speech (and other rights) isn't about governments but about people. Your rights aren't less violated because the violator has no democratic legitimation, that just makes it worse. The only way in which companies infringing your rights is less relevant is that companies having that ability shouldn't even exist, so making them behave is merely a band-aid.

That is nonsense. This isn't about limiting speech. It's about maintaining a business relationship. No one, individual or otherwise, has the right to force a business relationship, or any other relationship, between two people, entities, or companies unless both sides are willing to maintain it.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by debaserab2 »

FussyZeus wrote: post #149
femto113 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple rakes 30 cents off of every dollar spent In the App Store. Their end totals billions of dollars a month. They absolutely could do this “at scale”.

Actually you're right, it is possible, but it's also not remotely worth it. I've been working with online communities for decades, and every person who hasn't done so has wanted to provide reasons, to provide explanations, and I will tell you in exactly every single interaction I've had when someone's account on whatever platform had to be terminated, that all they do is argue. I didn't do that. It wasn't that bad. B…

Moderating an app marketplace is not the same as moderating an online community. When you start applying the same strategies that you would for an online community to a business owned marketplace, you end up with consumer unfriendly practices.

When you rule by fist and swathing generalizations in an app marketplace, developers (and their incomes) become casualties.

The stakes are a little bit higher than being banned from an internet website. Business owners should be held to a higher standard than online community moderators.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by yepthatsreality »

cmcd wrote: post #162
arbitcoin wrote: post #141

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Perhaps Rambo did violate Apple's terms, I don't know. However, this is still a major problem. Apple has currently locked me out of my account due to their new authentication process in at attempt to force me to buy an apple device for authentication purposes.

OS X and iOS development both require Apple hardware anyways, so shouldn't you have that as a developer?

Unless you hackintosh...

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by FussyZeus »

jtcruthers wrote: post #183
FussyZeus wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually you're right, it is possible, but it's also not remotely worth it. I've been working with online communities for decades, and every person who hasn't done so has wanted to provide reasons, to provide explanations, and I will tell you in exactly every single interaction I've had when someone's account on whatever platform had to be terminated, that all they do is argue. I didn't do that. It wasn't that bad. B…

You sound insufferable. I have no doubt you have been tricked by a multibillion dollar company to moderate their site in your free time for 0 compensation. And it doesn't surprise anyone here than you don't work with the community, you just enforce the rules as strictly as you possibly can. I'm sorry your life has divulged into trying to flex the insignificant "power" you unknowingly sacrificed your free time for on…

> I have no doubt you have been tricked by a multibillion dollar company to moderate their site in your free time for 0 compensation.

Wrong. Haven't in years. Gave it up because it's thankless work.

> And it doesn't surprise anyone here than you don't work with the community, you just enforce the rules as strictly as you possibly can.

You don't know a thing about where I worked or the rules I enforced. You're swinging blindly in an attempt to bruise my ego. It will not work.

> I'm sorry your life has divulged into trying to flex the insignificant "power" you unknowingly sacrificed your free time for on any mere user who dare break an online community rule around THE FussyZeus.

I don't regret a thing. It wasn't about being above other people, it was about making sure the community at large had the best experience possible because every dingle who came along and thought the rules didn't apply to them harmed that experience.

I enjoyed the communities I moderated. I still do, though I don't moderate anymore. This attitude is precisely why I quit after decades of doing it. Everyone wants moderation but nobody wants moderators. Everybody wants content policed, controlled, and curated but everybody hates the people who do it. Everyone wants the community rules enforced but not against them, their friends, or the people they like in the community.

I did it for a long time, and if my feedback is to believed, I did a damn good job. But I never once got a thank you until I announced I was leaving. Every day I worked through an inbox full of abuse, insults, mud slinging, questioning of my masculinity, my sexual orientation, my race, my gender, much like what you've done right here: dismissing me as some loser who has nothing better to do, who is powerless and so sought out a role that gave me power.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

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