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Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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That's a decent analogy and I'm surprised you're getting voted down.

It’s a lot closer to leaving a Yelp review that accurately described their behavior a few days after you witnessed them doing something stupid that ruined your experience.

Only if you admit in the review that you took no action whatsoever to allow them to fix whatever the issue was.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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> I’m just an indie developer trying to make good products. Apple should separate Rambo's software development from his reporting rather than retaliate against him, if that is indeed what is happening, but it is a little disingenuous for him to make the above claim. Rambo reverse engineers Apple products and publishes findings on 9to5Mac.com, in particular future product references that have slipped prematurely into…

Perhaps Rambo did violate Apple's terms, I don't know. However, this is still a major problem. Apple has currently locked me out of my account due to their new authentication process in at attempt to force me to buy an apple device for authentication purposes.

OS X and iOS development both require Apple hardware anyways, so shouldn't you have that as a developer?

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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" My house (or in this case, walled garden) , my rules. " As people are fond of pointing out, Apple is not a monopoly therefore he has plenty of other places to sell his software.

This is like saying that if your neighbors are awful you should simply take your house and put it somewhere else. Completely ignoring the cost of porting software written for one platform to another.

Invalid analogy, since it's Apple's house, not his. Nobody forced him to write software for Apple's platform and nobody forced him to agree to the developer agreement Apple requires. He did it of his own free will.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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> Presumably in violation of the developer program's NDA. Even if that seems likely doing all that without a "real" full locking of the account and an email seems kind of odd.

Shadowbanning is an effective technique, so it can be intentional.

IMO shadowbanning is a highly unethical practice, especially but not exclusively for the fact that there will be false positives.

There will always be false positives because even if reviewed or decided by group or committee, human judgement is always flawed and none of us really know if a ban is appropriate or justified. (And even if it is, there is always a concept of remorse or forgiveness that should be a thing too.)

Just think of your own personal experience. How many times have you been wrong when being judgemental about other people? How many times have they been wrong about you? Most of the time that's just a mild social thing and it has no consequence, but practices like shadow banning make it consequential.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Consent is an active process. Either party can revoke consent at any time without cause without being an asshole; future consent thus cannot reasonably be assumed in perpetuity. Use offlineimap; make backups.

Yes you can legally revoke consent, but if you are a global oligopolist and your revoking consent wipes out people's digital identity, personal data and professional existence, then you should not be surprised if you get crushed by regulators eventually. Developers in particular have nowhere else to go. Backing up your code doesn't help if you get locked out of one of the 2.5 app stores on planet earth. Your skills a…

It seems currently the only hope would be some EU regulation about it.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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That's a decent analogy and I'm surprised you're getting voted down.

Because punishing is how you restrict free speech. If your "free" speech has this kind of consequences, it isn't free.

"Free" speech only applies to governments limiting the free expression of their citizens. Private companies have no obligation to continue doing business with someone for any reason, especially when that individual is acting in bad faith by disparaging their business relationship.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Actually this makes me wonder if in 20 years you become unemployable if you had your account banned for whatever reason.

Possibly. Government agencies (Australia most recently) are starting to require citizens to use e-mail addresses from "trusted" partners. Google is one of those partners.

Well this is certainly news. Lots of us use self hosted email or just whitelabelled domains. Can you link to a source or more info?

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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To be fair, having a contract terminated by violating it isn't really the result of "monolithic software pipelines controlled by a corporation".

I feel like you're missing the point. A "contract" with a company shouldn't be at the center of the question of whether you can develop software for a specific platform or not to begin with. It feels like this was understood and controversial only ten years ago, while nowadays people all over the Internet will argue with you to defend Mordors god-given right to rule over every single behavior in the world's most popu…

It reminds me of something out of The Right to Read.

> Programmers still needed debugging tools, of course, but debugger vendors in 2047 distributed numbered copies only, and only to officially licensed and bonded programmers. The debugger Dan used in software class was kept behind a special firewall so that it could be used only for class exercises.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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It’s a lot closer to leaving a Yelp review that accurately described their behavior a few days after you witnessed them doing something stupid that ruined your experience.

Only if you admit in the review that you took no action whatsoever to allow them to fix whatever the issue was.

If you research that time period you will find many arbitrary rejections were being made that could not be resolved by the developer and may even have been nonsensical.

https://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-app-rejections-2009-1...

https://www.cnet.com/news/behind-10-eyebrow-raising-app-stor...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3dwq8/apples-long-histor...

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Said it better than I could've – there are some pretty obvious reasons why Rambo's account could've been suspended, the clear violation of NDAs being the main one, with him publishing information about unreleased products. I'm honestly kind of surprised they let him keep his Developer account all this time. My bigger issue here is the complete lack of transparency or visibility into the process. It's this kind of stu…

with regards to the App Store being the only way to get apps on iOS The App Store is the only Apple supported way to release apps, there are unsupported third party app stores as well. Lack of transparency is not good, but I'm not sure what the issue is with there being only one officially supported way to download apps. It is Apple's product and software, they are selling the "Apple Experience" as much as the hardwa…

There are always reasons that companies want to keep their monopolies. But the fact that "Apple Experience" is something important to Apple should not be the end of discussion. The negative aspects should be evaluated as well.
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