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Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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There are many calls for personal responsibility here. But I think the average person is not making a choice to sustain permanent hearing damage – most people don't know the risks. I used to own a decible meter. I brought it to a movie theater (large chain) and found sustained volume of 100+ decibels. It was physically painful. I was the only customer who complained to the theater. I asked what sound level they inten…

Agree Awareness may hopefully be raised now that the Apple Watch measures sound exposure

and with Apple/Beats branded headphones it accurately measures exposure through those as well

I wish there was a way to give it data for other headphones too, since I don't use Apple earbuds

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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If you have slight tinnitus, you can use a white noise generator. What I've found that works really well at work to both keep loud colleagues from interfering and to reduce any high pitched noises I hear is this https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/whiteNoiseGenerator.php?l=... , you can also try their datacenter one. In another life when I used to have to go to the DC and work directly on servers I found it actually quite relaxing.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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I had a ringing for a weekend and found and used this extensively https://github.com/generalfuzz/acrn I remember it being after some loud event. But I honestly can't remember. It went away. But it might not have been tinnitus and just an ear infection. Or it might have helped, I'm just one sample size.

Interesting. It seems my tinnitus is around freq 8200. I'll give this tool a go when I'm in a more quiet environment.

Mine seems to be 9880 or thereabouts - up that high it seems to be difficult to differentiate slightly higher or lower tones.

Been living with that high a tone for decades now and it's always been extremely noticeable.

I always coped with it by convincing myself "that's just my brain's CPU frequency" - sounds a bit nutty but that's a coping mechanism which worked for me.

Tried seeing my doctor about it a couple of years ago (UK, NHS GP) but at the time he dismissed it saying "nothing can be done" :/

This tone therapy - I'll try this and see how it goes.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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> Note: this technique has some risks. Especially when you practice by yourself. The biggest one is that scientifically speaking, experts are a bit unfamiliar with it. I can only offer anecdotal experience. I will also offer an anecdotal experience. I went to a "breathwork" seminar once that involved doing a form of hyperventilation (but without the breath holding part which is what Wim Hof also incorporates I believ…

I went once to a session like this out of curiosity. I had cramps. A friend who’s just finished Uni being a GP told what is going on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_alkalosis Is the medical term. Note this is not the “excess of oxygen” that you feel the effects of - but the lack of CO2. Human body keeps the Ph of the blood in a really tight band - and if it swings outside of it one or the other direction…

> I went once to a session like this out of curiosity. I had cramps. A friend who’s just finished Uni being a GP told what is going on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_alkalosis Is the medical term.

That's actually funny, because "what is actually going on here" was the very first question I had, but it seemed to me like this thought didn't even cross the mind of the other 10 in attendance - I even asked the instructor and he had no idea, or curiosity. It's interesting how differently we all think about the world.

> Note that this exact thing also happens during the panic attacks; so my running theory is that the “gurus” create a positive feedback loop in the weaker people that are in need of support.

I saw absolutely no sign of this being true in my session. Everyone enjoyed themselves immensely and there was a strong sense of bonding and peace....anxiety was the exact opposite of what I saw going down. Although, I can agree that some people using these sorts of things, and only these sorts of things, as temporary crutches rather than getting at the underlying issue is an actual problem.

> Maybe there is some self-impact by the placebo effect; but most usually these “sessions” are just a brilliantly evil way to earn money by getting people high on thin air!

Did you get any results out of your session? Characterizing this as a scam or a placebo effect makes me think it didn't work for you?

> Again, the feedback from a person who actually finished a uni to become a doctor: do not do this. If you are looking for spirituality, try meditation instead.

I don't see how being a GP would equip someone in any way for having superior insight on such topics, unless they are speaking only to the qualitative medical risk aspect? And even so, any such judgement should also take into consideration the relative efficacy of the different practices.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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No, it isn't. There are three related reasons why. First, we don't exclusively experience a concert through our ears. The reason people use words like "thumping" to describe bass is because it's felt as much as heard. That experience is important to many forms of music, and it isn't possible to get it at low volume. The second is that the relative volume of different instruments is usually more important to the sound…

As others have said this is well beyond "cuddling speakers". But your points are fine. And if they're really unavoidable then distribute ear plugs at the entrance to your concerts. Because the alternative is a bunch of teenagers going to concerts and only later figuring out they've damaged their hearing. After all, if what you are describing is right, then the problem is even worse. A product is being sold with the k…

I mean, this is true of most products. I don't get a suit of chainmail with the purchase of a kitchen knife, after all. Responsibility for not cutting myself-- whether that involves protective equipment or not-- is on me.

Besides, I'm not keen on shuffling more costs over to venues or artists. It's a tough business already, and tacking even $100 worth of earplugs onto a concert might wipe out what a small band will get paid to play.

Better to have the music and have to get the earplugs, than have less music to wear them to imo.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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> Note: this technique has some risks. Especially when you practice by yourself. The biggest one is that scientifically speaking, experts are a bit unfamiliar with it. I can only offer anecdotal experience. I will also offer an anecdotal experience. I went to a "breathwork" seminar once that involved doing a form of hyperventilation (but without the breath holding part which is what Wim Hof also incorporates I believ…

I went once to a session like this out of curiosity. I had cramps. A friend who’s just finished Uni being a GP told what is going on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_alkalosis Is the medical term. Note this is not the “excess of oxygen” that you feel the effects of - but the lack of CO2. Human body keeps the Ph of the blood in a really tight band - and if it swings outside of it one or the other direction…

Okay, so this tinnitus thing is an informal experiment that I'm organizing for people who are interested. Which is a thing that is perhaps worthy of discussion.

But I feel you're mixing too much new age stuff with hard science. Let's get some facts here and see where we agree and perhaps diverge.

Fact 1: the WHM gets you high on adrenaline [1]. It's actually higher than peak adrenaline during bungee jumping. In [1] it is also stated how the WHM is different than hyperventilation (neurobiologically at least).

Fact 2: The alkalosis thing is correct [2]. The doctors that I talked to (Radboud Nijmegen, The Netherlands) said that it was seemingly fine since every other indicator was fine. According to my conversation with them alkalosis happens when a person is dead, for example, but if it's the only thing that's negative, then it's probably fine. These doctors were also the authors of [1] as I was one of the research subjects.

I can see the medical community disagreeing about something like this (and again, I'm not a doctor, so if one wants to be on the safe side, assume it's bad, safety first).

> If you are looking for spirituality, try meditation instead.

I agree. The WHM is not something to be done on a whim.

[1] https://www.pnas.org/content/111/20/7379 -- quote: Epinephrine levels in trained individuals were even higher than those reported in a recent study in which acute stress elicited by a bungee jump was found to suppress cytokine production by leukocytes ex vivo stimulated with LPS (13).

[2] same paper -- quote: and an increase in pH (reaching up to 7.75 in individual subjects; Fig. 2 and Movie S2), indicating acute respiratory alkalosis, which normalized quickly after cessation of the breathing techniques.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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It's been my experience that most places can reduce volume levels (music, theaters etc) about 10-15% without loss of experience or fidelity and I have taken to actually asking managers to turn down volume because my ears actually hurt . It's loud for the sake of loud. I can't understand why the music in a restaurant needs to be so loud that I have to scream at the people at my table to be heard. Obviously we're screa…

I've gone to two rock concerts that the volume was so loud that is was distorting the music. Of course my ears hurt, so I took to covering them a bit. My friend often goes to concerts and wasn't phased at all. I imagine the people in charge of sound have already lost some hearing, and they don't care if it sounds great or not.

Use party earplugs, even the low grade ~20 bucks version is night-and-day.

Some concerts/parties/clubs are definitely purposely too loud. Yes, many people going are already hearing-compromised.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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This has merit. You guys do know this trick too? Place the palms of your hands over your ears so your fingers wrap around the back of your head. Set your middle fingers on the top of your neck right at the base of your skull. Put your index fingers on top of your middle fingers and apply pressure. Now snap them on the back of your head over and over like you’re drumming. Repeat it about 30-50 times. Ideally, when you…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pcPr3266as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3We5SK-6Ic beating the heavenly drums

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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I hear it right now. Doesn't everyone?

Nope, that's tinnitus. But it's a fairly common condition.

What's the typical onset? (Since I remember <10 years old, I heard some noise and just accepted it as amplifier-like-no-signal-noise, even though regular hearing tests measured above average hearing. Though they don't cover the whole audible spectrum usually :/)

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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There are many calls for personal responsibility here. But I think the average person is not making a choice to sustain permanent hearing damage – most people don't know the risks. I used to own a decible meter. I brought it to a movie theater (large chain) and found sustained volume of 100+ decibels. It was physically painful. I was the only customer who complained to the theater. I asked what sound level they inten…

Your words of warning are warranted.

I once ran a large stump grinder without hearing protection. A huge mistake. I now have spotty hearing, especially in crowded rooms, and it is a huge disadvantage.

Protect your hearing! Easy to do, so worth the effort.

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