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Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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And the years before he spent time in an embassy on his own free will, the solitary confinement is new.

Don't you ever, ever try to pollute the well of truth with your own fucked up version. Why do you even bother commenting?

Well, Idunno, maybe I think I know the truth?

Truth isn't a universally objective concept outside of math.

Why are you being so rude?

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> that's stealing a document in anyone's book. It would certainly be stealing if she deleted the documents in the server afterwards, which she did not. Stealing implies that the original is gone in everyday speech. Most people would be very upset if you stole their car, not so much if you copied it. > I'm simply saying that a military court said that. You might want to edit your previous post then. From "technically…

So copying Coke's secret formula is not stealing?

I'd say that it really depends on what you do with the information.

If you find out that Coke products secretly include arsenic and you share that with the general public, I don't think anyone (besides Coke) would be calling you a thief.

If you steal their secret formula so that you can profit off of it, or just because you want to share it with the world to break their monopoly of their own product, I would consider that stealing.

Stealing a "secret" is a weird notion

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If you agree to "we can have sex if you wear a condom" and then secretly take off the condom, that's rape. The sex being had was not consensual.

If you take that point of view and use a different example it sounds foolish. If we agree to have sex while she has a blindfold on but only if I wear a clown mask. If I take off the mask before sex and she watches the tape later she cannot claim rape. Or do you think that's rape as well?

1. I think it's extraordinarily disingenuous to compare protected vs. unprotected sex to whether or not one has a mask on. The consequences of unprotected sex - pregnancy, STDs, etc. - are potentially deadly.

2. Yes, your example describes non-consensual sex, i.e. rape.

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The charge was always pretty consistent as "sexual assault" as you described, yes, with "rape" having a specific definition in Swedish law. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange... It sounds like the women didn't really want to pursue the case (which is not at all uncommon in sexual assault cases!), they just wanted to track down Assange and make him take an STD test after he had unprotected se…

Personally I think Assange may well genuinely have believed it was US involvement - rape sentences in Sweden are short and lenient enough that evading charges for years makes no sense unless he was scared of something else. But of course that does not tell us anything about whether or not he was right. At the same time I suspect the oddities in how the case was pursued is more likely to simply have been about domesti…

> rape sentences in Sweden are short and lenient enough that evading charges for years makes no sense unless he was scared of something else

Yes he was obviously not running from the Swedish sentence. I used to think that must have meant he ran from the US. But another theory could be that he ran from the reputation hit.

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And the years before he spent time in an embassy on his own free will, the solitary confinement is new.

Melzer: "Mr. Assange was about as free to leave as someone sitting on a rubber boat in a shark pool." In 2016 another group of UN experts found his situation to be "arbitrary detention": > In its official Opinion, the Working Group considered that Mr. Assange had been subjected to different forms of deprivation of liberty: initial detention in Wandsworth Prison in London, followed by house arrest and then confinement…

The later parts are all about the time in prison Assange is currently under, which, granted, is probably not the best of times.

But if you run from the law, why should Assange or a human rights expert expect to be handled like in a 5 star hotel?

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I'm more inclined to think Trump's impeachment will be well timed to the date of Assange's extradition. The three letter agencies can live with an erratic president, but not one that might pardon or otherwise protect Assange. (Barr will eventually side with them, not Trump)

I think you don't know how impeachment works. Trump will not be removed from office, no matter what the lower house of the US government happens to do. The Senate would have to have 67 votes in a majority republican controlled body to remove him. That simply will not happen -- even in the House, which is politically far more independent, the Democratic Party was not able to get a single Republican vote, and even had…

Yeah I don't see how the trial will go through, there is no way they get 67 votes in the senate. He would have to literally walk up and shoot a nun in the face on camera before those Republicans would budge, they've already made up their mind he's forgiven for (almost) any crimes while he's in office.

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I don't know how to respond to this. UN experts on human rights have looked into his situation and been quite alarmed by it. I can't think of a group of people more respected in the field of human rights than the experts at the UN. And yet there are commenters here on HN who, I don't know on what basis, write that it's all mostly "hyperbole".

It is mostly self-inflicted, though. He chose that exile over facing justice for these charges. And calling systemic judicial prosecution "torture" is most certainly hyperbole. It's the job of the judicial system to prosecute people who break the law, and it's definitely better if they do so in a systemic rather than arbitrary way. So while it's entirely possible that Assange shows symptoms of torture, the question r…

I think you mean "justice"

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What a weird statment. How can a country decide to drop a crime against its citizen. Shouldn't the person who got raped be deciding that.

The alleged victims never pressed for Assange to be charged for sexual assault.

> Assange was accused of rape by a woman and sexual assault by another one

what does 'accused' mean here? I assumed accused = pressed charges.

edit: oh i see wht you mean. thanks.

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Memory weakens over time, and the case would've largely hinged on memory-based testimony.

Yeah, but the testimony was surely recorded already some years ago? Or did they just wait.. I doubt so.

Assange for one haven't been properly questioned, and he could well make relevant claims that are not covered in the old testimonies.

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You quote: > “Mr. Assange has been deliberately exposed, for a period of several years, to progressively severe forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, the cumulative effects of which can only be described as psychological torture.“ That quote lacked information on who was exposing him and what that exposure actually was, so I followed your source. That source elaborates as follows: > “In the co…

I don’t understand. He stayed in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid arrest. His conditions are self-imposed.

Unless he would have experienced better conditions had he not taken refuge in the embassy, his conditions are not self-imposed.
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