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Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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post #209

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> If he is released from UK jail he can hop onto a ferry and go to mainland EU. There he could travel to anywhere within the Shengen zone. That relies on his Australian passport being valid and not being cancelled by a US-friendly Australian government - the relevant Minister has the right to cancel a passport if the person is subejct to a foreign arrest warrant. [1] It would likely also rely on the EU member state b…

There are no border officers checking people in almost all of the border crossings. If you look white (=> probably not an illegal immigrant) being checked is extremly unlikely even with manned borders. He might want to wear a shawl or similar, but I don't think there will be a problem unless he is deliberately tracked and intercepted.

It’s been awhile since I caught a ferry to or from the UK but the trains to and from the continent have passport controls both sides and everyone is checked. I suspect his name would raise an alarm bell when the passport is scanned, though I really don’t remember what happened on the ferry.

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post #113

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Generally people accused of serious crimes are not as free as the rest of us. He has always been free to face his accusers.

BS. They're accusing him under a law that would not allow him to present any motive for what he did. Not a fair trial by most countries' standards.

What is an acceptable motive for rape?

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> Mr. Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the extremely hostile and arbitrary environment he has been exposed to for many years Let me correct that: Mr Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the environment that he exposed himself to (Edit: I’m talking about the embassy episode here, not his more recent incarceration)

> environment that he exposed himself to Fuck you. You are jailed on trumped up charges. Are you at fault by "exposing yourself to" it?

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post #121

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? They were responding to a valid extradition request by Sweden. How does the US factor in here?

In 2013, Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition but the English Crown Prosecution Service dissuaded them from doing so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_...

Ok, but that still doesn't have anything to do with the United States

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> He got away with raping a woman completely. Why are you saying this like it's a undeniable fact?

Especially since the original "victim" retracted the allegations. Sweden simply refused to drop the charges afterwards, apparently for political reasons.

That doesn't appear to be the case.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assan...

"The woman who accused Julian Assange of rape has said she is 'shocked' by Sweden’s decision to drop the seven-year investigation."

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Chelsea Manning was sentenced to 35 years, but her sentence was commuted by Obama in part because she was transgender. She deserves to be in prison. https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/chelsea-manning-sent... President Barack Obama on Tuesday overruled his secretary of defense to commute the sentence of former Army soldier Chelsea Manning, who was convicted of stealing and disseminating 750,000 pages of documents…

> the "entire intelligence community is deflated Anything that makes the intelligence community deflated is a good thing.

Unless it means that those attacks that the intelligence community prevented will take place.

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post #159

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I’m not arguing that the case is unjust. I’m refuting the argument that he was free to leave at any time. I see where the two cross, so I’ll argue the former here: He’s wanted because he embarrassed the United States government. Espionage laws are a horrible attack on free speech and freedom of the press and I’m appalled the Supreme Court previously ruled they’re constitutional.

The espionage act is a horrible piece of legislation. So challenge it. Go fight the charges. Take the spotlight and let everyone see how unjust the law is. Fleeing from the law made Assange seem like a coward, which worked against his cause. There is no better way to seem guilty than to run from a legal process that most people feel is fair, even if you personally think otherwise.

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the charges were of 'rape' (not sexual assault), as it is defined in sweden. I m pretty sure these charges don't qualify as rape in most other countries: https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/4/12/18306901/julian-ass...

I understand you feel Swedish law is too harsh on this, but surely that is besides the point since Assange was in Sweden at the time of the alleged crime? It doesn't really matter if his actions qualifies as rape in any other country or not if they do in Sweden (which was for the courts to decide).

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post #159

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I’m not arguing that the case is unjust. I’m refuting the argument that he was free to leave at any time. I see where the two cross, so I’ll argue the former here: He’s wanted because he embarrassed the United States government. Espionage laws are a horrible attack on free speech and freedom of the press and I’m appalled the Supreme Court previously ruled they’re constitutional.

The espionage act is a horrible piece of legislation. So challenge it. Go fight the charges. Take the spotlight and let everyone see how unjust the law is. Fleeing from the law made Assange seem like a coward, which worked against his cause. There is no better way to seem guilty than to run from a legal process that most people feel is fair, even if you personally think otherwise.

I believe that it is better to be free and seem like a coward than be punished via a process which I believe is unfair and spend the rest of my life in jail or worse.

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post #113

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Generally people accused of serious crimes are not as free as the rest of us. He has always been free to face his accusers.

BS. They're accusing him under a law that would not allow him to present any motive for what he did. Not a fair trial by most countries' standards.

> They're accusing him under a law that would not allow him to present any motive for what he did

Yeah, rape doesn't need motive.

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