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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jraph »

swebs wrote: post #37
JBiserkov wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

>Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 I'd take lower repairability over a spyware OS any day of the week.

False dichotomy.

Both are bad things and should be boycotted anyway.

Install FreeDOS on a desktop and move on.

Edit: and, as the next commenter says...:

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by [deleted] »

rconti wrote: post #72

I don't get their dust-proofing membrane comment: > News flash: there's not even a dust-proofing membrane on these new switches. We're inclined to take this as a very good sign. (It means we can finally eat Doritos during teardowns again.) That sounds counter-intuitive. Can someone explain?

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by heavyset_go »

htk wrote: post #27
JBiserkov wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

> Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight.

I mean, this seems like a good enough reason to me[1].

> Let the market decide what it wants.

Discussing pros and cons of a product is part of how the market figures out value.

Competitors seem to be able to maintain a lightweight form factor without completely sacrificing repairability.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXDrIvShZKU

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by outworlder »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #43
pwthornton wrote: post #14

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This is an odd definition of professional. To me, what you can do with it and the kinds of jobs it enables is what makes a computer pro or not.

I think the distinction being made is that something for casual use (like a Chromebook, or an iPad) doesn't really carry with it the expectation that you will be repairing or upgrading components - if something fails, you replace the whole (relatively cheap) device. For a machine that has a pricetag in the thousands, not hundreds, of dollars/euro, that isn't a very appealing approach...

Hopefully you'll have Apple care, which will allow you to replace the whole machine without paying for an entirely new one.

If you need it for a living, it's a no brainer. Is it malfunctioning? Take it to an Apple store, grab a brand new device, restore it from Time Machine and resume where you left off. You could be back up and running in a couple of hours as if nothing had happened. You could potentially waste a lot more than that trying to troubleshoot and then ordering new parts.

That only works if you have good Apple Store coverage though. Otherwise, the table flips.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by saagarjha »

henryfjordan wrote: post #56
jmfayard wrote: post #51

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It's not a free market. Apple has a monopoly on Mac OS alas. Most people don't change their operating system and habits just like that.

You can totally run Windows or Linux on a macbook with some effort. Apple even built Bootcamp to make it easy to dual boot... Or are you saying you should be able to take OSX elsewhere? it's not a "monopoly" that Apple built OSX and only support it on their own hardware. It is not monopolistic to build something supported on one platform and not others.

I think there were issues with Linux at some point because of the nonstandard NVMe drive that Apple was using. Were those ever fixed?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by saagarjha »

swebs wrote: post #37
JBiserkov wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

>Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 I'd take lower repairability over a spyware OS any day of the week.

You can run Linux on it…

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by skavi »

Tepix wrote: post #11

It‘s not a very professional device if you can‘t upgrade the storage and the memory. The Mac Pro will feature modular SSDs (and they aren‘t even super fast). I wonder if Apple will use something proprietary or standard M.2 NVMe modules. They probably can‘t offer PCIe 4.0 slots since they‘re using Intel which is trailing behind.

Look at the inside of this thing. nearly every millimeter is used. Switching to replaceable forms of memory/storage would take up significant space, either requiring a larger laptop, a smaller battery, or lower thermal capacity.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by saagarjha »

alberth wrote: post #75
karmelapple wrote: post #66

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I enjoy the butterfly keyboard, but once the keys started putting two spaces in when I said one, or putting two of other letters, or none of yet other letters, it got old really fast. Still like my keyboard, and would be happy to have it back if Apple fixed the reliability issues. FWIW, I like the iPad keyboard feel, too.

FYI - as a hack ... you can turn off double spaces in the macOS. https://howchoo.com/g/njiwm2flndj/disable-double-space-bar-p...

That's a software feature. In this case I believe they're talking about the keyboard itself double-typing.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by chmaynard »

A while back, I used to think hard about whether to purchase AppleCare to extend the warranty on a new MacBook Pro. Now, it's a no-brainer. Believe me, I know from hard experience that you won't regret it.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by saagarjha »

Havoc wrote: post #82

Those half sized up/down cursor keys - does nobody within Apple use spreadsheets? I get that it's not their primary audience but surely of all the keys you'd want to mini-fy cursor would be one of the last?

I really like the inverted-T arrangement. I have literally held off on buying a new Mac until they went back to that layout, since it lets me position my fingers on the keys better.
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