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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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post #9

I just replaced the keyboard on a ThinkPad T440p, and it didn’t seem to add a significant bulk to the machine’s profile. It took me 2 minutes flat.

+1. The serviceability of ThinkPads had always been a great (if not hidden) feature, almost allowing Ship-of-Theseus-ish rolling upgrades like a desktop. Even though the build quality has generally declined since the T410 era, this at least has been preserved (I have a company-issued P50 and it's still a few screws away from changing RAM and SSD).

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

#32
post #5

Most important point: Apple fixed the keyboard by ditching the flawed keyboard used for the past 3 years and returning to the Magic Keyboard scissor switch design. Comparing the 'new' keyboard to the Magic Keyboard: "side by side, we're hard pressed to spot any differences. Scissor switches, keycaps... There's slightly less space surrounding these new keys, and pundits will celebrate those reconfigured arrow keys—but…

But it's riveted to the chassis - you cannot replace the keyboard still.

Apple will never give you a modular, easy to repair system. It just isn't going to happen, time to move on.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

#33
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also known as "better include the three years of Apple Care coverage in the cost of the computer."

Three? Isn't it 2? (which overlaps with the mandatory 1yr warranty period)

It's 3 years for me (US), but it might be worded differently if you get a mandatory 1 year.

https://www.apple.com/support/products/mac/

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

#34
>The X-rays make it even angrier! Run away! Luckily our friends at Creative Electron are taking all the risk here—we'll resume disassembly after things calm down.

Not sure what is the allusion to here, but anyone else noticed static discharge you get after airport xray scans your macbook?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

#35
post #11

It‘s not a very professional device if you can‘t upgrade the storage and the memory. The Mac Pro will feature modular SSDs (and they aren‘t even super fast). I wonder if Apple will use something proprietary or standard M.2 NVMe modules. They probably can‘t offer PCIe 4.0 slots since they‘re using Intel which is trailing behind.

Of course it isn't any more professional than an older thinkbook.

But the name does lubricate the purchasing decision for many people.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

#36

So no upgradable RAM, no upgradable storage. If either stops functioning, you have to change the entire logic board (including the CPU and GPU? I'm not sure). Wow this is a crappy design. But expected, since this is Apple that we're talking about.

What's interesting about this perception is that PC vendors who do the same things don't catch flak. Presumably because there are still options for PC that are at least theoretically repairable and built to last. I wonder what would happen in a hypothetical world where there were pro and non-Pro Apple laptops, but the only real difference between them were that the Pro laptops had replaceable parts, and were however…

That's because Apple is the only hardware provider for Mac OS X. If you just want Windows or Linux, you have a lot of choices. If you want OS X, there's no choice but to put up with whatever hardware Apple gives you.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

#37

Repairability 1/10

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

>Microsoft Surface Laptop 3

I'd take lower repairability over a spyware OS any day of the week.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

#38
post #17

Most important point: Apple fixed the keyboard by ditching the flawed keyboard used for the past 3 years and returning to the Magic Keyboard scissor switch design. Comparing the 'new' keyboard to the Magic Keyboard: "side by side, we're hard pressed to spot any differences. Scissor switches, keycaps... There's slightly less space surrounding these new keys, and pundits will celebrate those reconfigured arrow keys—but…

The easiest way to improve a good laptop is to make a bad update and then revert it.

It's the "New Coke" maneuver.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

#39
post #9

I just replaced the keyboard on a ThinkPad T440p, and it didn’t seem to add a significant bulk to the machine’s profile. It took me 2 minutes flat.

+1. The serviceability of ThinkPads had always been a great (if not hidden) feature, almost allowing Ship-of-Theseus-ish rolling upgrades like a desktop. Even though the build quality has generally declined since the T410 era, this at least has been preserved (I have a company-issued P50 and it's still a few screws away from changing RAM and SSD).

I replaced the trackpad on an x240 and it took me 2 hours and a few broken spudgers. I would have been able to swap everything else out first, as the touchpad was buried under motherboard, keyboard, hard drives etc.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

#40

>The X-rays make it even angrier! Run away! Luckily our friends at Creative Electron are taking all the risk here—we'll resume disassembly after things calm down. Not sure what is the allusion to here, but anyone else noticed static discharge you get after airport xray scans your macbook?

Just noticed this on my last trip. Those poor bits never knew what hit 'em.
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