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Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by EugeneOZ »

nscalf wrote: post #405
peterkelly wrote: post #376

I wrote another comment arguing that this proposal was both racist and discriminatory, which got flagged and deleted without explanation, presumably because I worded it in such a way as to give an example that might resonate more with Americans by using examples of specific groups of people that have experienced oppression in the US. In the interests of quality discussion on HN, I'm going to make another attempt but…

The fact that you’re in one of these countries makes you easy to access by enemies on the global scale. Assuming the individuals are good, that doesn’t mean they’re not a security risk. The reality is, countries like Russia and China do not respect intellectual property, and are know to perform cyber espionage and attacks. This seems very reasonable to me. Furthermore, the whole point of anti-discrimination laws are…

It's much more easy to just buy some data than torture somebody. Or you think engineers from US, UK or any other country can't be bought? :)

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by munmaek »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #404
munmaek wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So because the US government isn’t perfect, US based companies and US citizens are not allowed to espouse opinions on policy? I can’t change what my government has done, and I can’t really change what it’s doing besides voting, but I can have my own opinion.

You can have an opinion, of course. A mob opinion that our chief rival must be kneecapped in the name of freedom and justice is super suspect, is what I'm saying. Americans want American hegemony, and that's fine, but please don't preach about values while you're doing it.

> must be kneecapped in the name of freedom and justice

I think we can talk without hyperbole, no?

>Americans want American hegemony,

Sorry if that's what you think.

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Post by teknologist »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #394
teknologist wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever been to China? Such discrimination happens left, right and center. If you’re of an “acceptable” origin and have the right skin color, you might be ok...

I lived and worked in China for almost 10 years. I get that the foreigner glass ceiling is much lower there than here, and things like naked officials are actively discriminated against in government. That has nothing to do with the USA, however.

Well, it does. Because they will use your ethical values against you to slowly boil you like a frog in a pot 'til you find yourself in a concentration camp having your organs harvested. Sometimes bad things have to happen to prevent worse things.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by computerex »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #398
computerex wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a huge backlash against the government after Snowden. And Snowden was an American who leaked classified government information for the good of the country. Our perception of Snowden is generally very positive. If what you are saying is right, this wouldn't be the case. You don't see many Chinese whistleblowers leaking the most classified information to the vast public, for example. The patriot act was passe…

yes but where does Snowden now live? You can't deny the hypocrisy here. While our citizens might support him they don't to the extent that they can pressure governments enough to allow him to return home.

Pressuring the government into action is hard and requires personal sacrifice. It would be amazing if we had the same vigor and care about our personal liberties as for instance the people of Hong Kong.

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Post by Quarrelsome »

computerex wrote: post #415
Quarrelsome wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes but where does Snowden now live? You can't deny the hypocrisy here. While our citizens might support him they don't to the extent that they can pressure governments enough to allow him to return home.

Pressuring the government into action is hard and requires personal sacrifice . It would be amazing if we had the same vigor and care about our personal liberties as for instance the people of Hong Kong.

exactly. But if we really held civil liberties as a value we felt strongly about we'd do that, so we do a bit but not that much. :(

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Post by kortilla »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #387
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #19

I'm shocked (in a positive way) about the amount of transparency Gitlab provides. Even as a reader, it almost feels as if someone misconfigured the ACLs or I'm reading leaked internal documents, not an intentional decision to make this open. Some of the discussions seem highly sensitive, and yet it seems to work for them. Thank you, Gitlab, for being so open! I've learned a lot about compliance from just reading this…

Indeed, thanks GitLab for being so open about your bigotry. I wonder what would happen if GitLab started excluding say Israeli nationals, because a large number of companies that sell 0-days for profit are based there, I suspect that accusations of antisemitism would pour in from all corners & rightfully so, but since demonizing China has been cool since the USSR's collapse & Russia rejoined the club it never really…

> it never really left in the eyes of Americans

Nice bigotry in a post complaining about bigotry.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by yourbandsucks »

munmaek wrote: post #412
yourbandsucks wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can have an opinion, of course. A mob opinion that our chief rival must be kneecapped in the name of freedom and justice is super suspect, is what I'm saying. Americans want American hegemony, and that's fine, but please don't preach about values while you're doing it.

> must be kneecapped in the name of freedom and justice I think we can talk without hyperbole, no? >Americans want American hegemony, Sorry if that's what you think.

There's a pretty significant online mob who really want to split HK off of China. I'd call 'kneecap' reasonably apt.

As far as hegemony.. I'm sorry you don't believe that :) Why is specifically China the Big Bad Guy if it's not about hegemony? Why aren't we focused on cleaning our own house first if it's about justice and freedom?

Like, if this isn't about power, we could at least stop actively supporting the horrible regimes that are useful to us? That seems like a pretty easy thing to do. Why hasn't it happened?

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by mbesto »

490d0aff0ee8 wrote: post #185

It's immoral to discriminate on the basis of fear, prejudice, and rumor. One client can demand that Gitlab get rid of Chinese and Russian nationals today. Tomorrow, a different client can make similar demands - aimed at the nationals of different countries. This makes no sense whatsoever, and will blow out of control quickly. Sanction programs are the established legal frameworks for such things: https://www.treasury…

> the systems should be tight enough to make sure absolutely no-one has access to customer data without consent - and that any actions taken are logged for auditing.

You haven't really done OpSec have you? There is very little absolutism in defining who gets access to what data. In fact barring nations that have historically shared data with their governments is exactly one step closer to how you would achieve this.

> Investors and potential customers need to know.

Says the guy hiding behind a throwaway (new?) account...

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by kortilla »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #398
computerex wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a huge backlash against the government after Snowden. And Snowden was an American who leaked classified government information for the good of the country. Our perception of Snowden is generally very positive. If what you are saying is right, this wouldn't be the case. You don't see many Chinese whistleblowers leaking the most classified information to the vast public, for example. The patriot act was passe…

yes but where does Snowden now live? You can't deny the hypocrisy here. While our citizens might support him they don't to the extent that they can pressure governments enough to allow him to return home.

It’s not really hypocrisy if the people who are pro-Snowden are also anti-China. Citizens with opinions aren’t hypocrites because their current government’s policies have flaws.
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