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Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by softawre »

arbitrage wrote: post #251
EpicEng wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The breaking of the hyoid bone is, in fact, not uncommon in hangings. Nor is the breaking of the cartilage. Nor is hemorrhaging in the face or eyes. You're directly contradicting an expect here. Have any sources to back that up?

And you're blithely accepting the word of an expert who was paid to investigate the official autopsy, on behalf of Epstein's brother? Have any sources, etc.?

Expert in their field versus random forum commenter is obviously a he said she said.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by doctorpangloss »

d1zzy wrote: post #257
air7 wrote: post #165

I'm don't buy into conspiracy theories and am a firm advocate for Hanlon's razor but this story is really hard to swallow. This is the passage from the relevant Wikipedia article: > The jail informed the Justice Department, when Epstein was placed in the special housing unit, that he would have a cellmate and that a guard would look into the cell every 30 minutes. These procedures were not followed on the night he di…

That's only extraordinary if you assume that: - those cameras functioned before that night, when they might as well have been broken for months and/or often broke - moving cellmates very rarely results in not having someone else move in in the same day - guards don't usually sleep on their shifts If however, you assume the much more likely situation that the cameras were already broken or often broke, that guards pre…

And that people could be put into suicide watch as a punitive measure. So suicides are rare despite all the flaws because most people on suicide watch aren’t suicidal.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by jariel »

My suspicion is that he offered the guards a large financial sum (to be paid off by whoever is handling his money) to 'look the other way' for a few hours.

Or maybe some very important sources paid the guards to do the same.

This way 'thing handled themselves' while nobody had to do anything dire and the guards could simply claim incompetence.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by [deleted] »

stickfigure wrote: post #145
belltaco wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was two guards that both fell asleep. Okay that might be coincidence. What about the two cameras that failed at the same time? They should publish failure rates of cameras at that facility. When was the last time two sets of electronics failed at the exact same time randomly? If there was a voltage spike or something that killed them both how come it didn't affect anything else at the facility? Maybe they were EMP…

What makes you think the cameras were working beforehand? They could have been this way for months or years. What percentage of cameras on BART trains are working at any given time? When was the last time you tested your backups?

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by emsy »

tootie wrote: post #162
raxxorrax wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two broken cameras must have been incompetent as well then. Not suggesting a conspiracy, but I wouldn't call it that anyway. Maybe it was just a crime.

From what I've read, the two broken cameras story is just that "two of the many cameras in the area" were broken. At least one camera was actively recording the area outside his cell and they have the footage and it doesn't show anything interesting.

Yeah but faking footage of nobody entering the cell is waaaay easier than faking footage of a suicide.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by hutzlibu »

CharlesColeman wrote: post #134
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually very rich people have a strong incentive to hire private firms specialized in minimizing the impact of bad stuff like this, and doing so in a very discreet way. I am 100% speculating, but I'd guess that's what Jeff Bezos did in relation to his extra-marital affair, and what Bill Gates and others have been doing in relation to Epstein.

> Usually very rich people have a strong incentive to hire private firms specialized in minimizing the impact of bad stuff like this, and doing so in a very discreet way. I'd be interested in learning about what techniques they use, since they seem like something that ought to be countered.

"I'd be interested in learning about what techniques they use"

I suppose it is mostly about connections with people in newspapers etc. and collecting favors from them.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by hutzlibu »

blackrobot wrote: post #133
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To paraphrase Watchmen I think we can take Gates off the list of suspects, it just doesn't seem his style.

He may not be a suspect , but it is troubling when someone befriends a known pedophile: Mr. Gates started the relationship after Mr. Epstein was convicted of sex crimes. from the NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-...

Well, pedophiles are also people. And if they show remorse and moved on (or in therapy) etc. I do not see a problem.

The problem here is just, that apparently he did not moved on at all and just continued undisturbed.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by KoftaBob »

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and speculate. Epstein was probably an agent for CIA and/or Mossad, and orchestrated honeypots where prominent figures were lured into sleeping with underage girls. It's such a predictable way for intelligence agencies to gain power over powerful figures.

Once he was headed for a long prison sentence and logically had nothing to lose, the powerful people he had blackmail material over would obviously choose to get rid of him to prevent the chance that he revealed everything. It's really not that far fetched.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by bvhg3 »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #73

Oh of course it was murder, it was clear he would be killed once they put him in jail (I won a bet saying he would die mysteriously within 2 months of his house arrest motion being denied). Then after he died I won another bet predicting that 'the cameras will have been not working', and sure enough when they looked at the video from the cameras it was corrupted or something. Obvious murder is obvious.

Or all the cameras malfunctioned because a Mossad team rescued him and deposited a dead look-alike because obviously Epstein is a highly valued member of the child-raping elite.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by booboolayla »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #206
tim58 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would tarnish reputations at the minimum. Legacy matters to the ultra rich.

Epstein maintained a nice lifestyle with a tarnished reputation.

He also died in prison, with a tarnished reputation.
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