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Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by metalliqaz »

chrischen wrote: post #84
metalliqaz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the Panama Papers still has it beat.

I feel ike for that Americans feel like temporarily embarrassed millionaires, but not necessarily temporarily embarrassed underage sex traffickers .

I'm not sure I buy that "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" line. People are tribal and will fight tooth and nail to defend their tribe's beliefs, no matter how little it applies to themselves. People know they will never be rich. Almost everyone knows that. I think it's more accurate to say that Americans have poor education in civics and finance, and cling to near-religious dogma as a result.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by not2personal »

jjeaff wrote: post #137
belltaco wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was two guards that both fell asleep. Okay that might be coincidence. What about the two cameras that failed at the same time? They should publish failure rates of cameras at that facility. When was the last time two sets of electronics failed at the exact same time randomly? If there was a voltage spike or something that killed them both how come it didn't affect anything else at the facility? Maybe they were EMP…

Do you think these low tech security cameras are hooked up to Pager Duty or something so their crack team of IT pros staffed 24x7 can jump into action and fix them? They were probably broken for years.

Best case is that they are negligent as opposed to corrupt. Either way shouldn't everyone involved be on the way to jail?

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by commandlinefan »

When Edward Snowden “revealed” that the NSA had been spying on us for decades, I was shocked that anybody was shocked. After all, we’ve known that for a long time - people had been SAYING that for a long time. I realized after the Snowden leaks that most people actually thought they were joking when they said that the NSA was spying on all of us: “har har, as if that could ever happen”. It’s become increasingly clear that I’m not just being paranoid when I believe that they _are_ spying on us, and disposing of the ones who become a problem.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by goatinaboat »

partiallypro wrote: post #110
goatinaboat wrote: post #70

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he had all the materials he needed to kill himself He is alleged to have hung himself with materials no stronger than tissue paper.

Says who? He was hung with a bed sheet.

Plenty of sources for this e.g. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mc...

There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.

Between the floor and the ceiling is like 8 or 9 feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.

You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by stickfigure »

belltaco wrote: post #120
ssully wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a guard sleeping on duty during a night shift surprising to you? As 542458 said, the level of competency that people assume is hilarious. Prison staff are overworked, underpaid, and have miserable jobs.

It was two guards that both fell asleep. Okay that might be coincidence. What about the two cameras that failed at the same time? They should publish failure rates of cameras at that facility. When was the last time two sets of electronics failed at the exact same time randomly? If there was a voltage spike or something that killed them both how come it didn't affect anything else at the facility? Maybe they were EMP…

What makes you think the cameras were working beforehand? They could have been this way for months or years.

What percentage of cameras on BART trains are working at any given time? When was the last time you tested your backups?

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by micmil »

542458 wrote: post #34
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > Dr. Michael Baden, one of the world’s leading forensic pathologists, viewed Jeffrey Epstein’s body and was present at the autopsy, which was held the day after Epstein was found dead at the notorious Metropolitan Correctional Center in downtown Manhattan. It looks like he was at least present at the autopsy

You're right, I was incorrect there - I was confused because he wasn't on the medical team for the autopsy. Looks like he was there as an observer, being paid by Epstein's family - which also introduces a fairly significant conflict of interest.

That is not a conflict of interest in any way, shape, or form.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by zbyte64 »

mikece wrote: post #2

I tend to be very skeptical of claims of conspiracy and conspiracy theories in general but I've yet to hear a reasonable theory to explain how Epstein could have killed himself in a cell and unit where suicide is made a practical impossibility. A friend in law enforcement related a story about someone on suicide watch who managed to kill himself by eating/shoving massive amount of toilet paper down his throat and the…

Crazy to think that our justice system is so dysfunctional we can hardly distinguish between malice and incompetence. Conspiracies aside, such dysfunction provide opportunities to those who oversee to just "let it happen".

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by micmil »

bsamuels wrote: post #5

I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? Can you get away with bribing a single guard or is a larger operation needed? If you bribe people, how do you get the money to them? How do you keep them quiet when the inevitable investigation happens? I don't think it's impossible, b…

Money. Money. Yes. Walk up and hand it to them. Money.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by zbyte64 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #75
mikece wrote: post #2

I tend to be very skeptical of claims of conspiracy and conspiracy theories in general but I've yet to hear a reasonable theory to explain how Epstein could have killed himself in a cell and unit where suicide is made a practical impossibility. A friend in law enforcement related a story about someone on suicide watch who managed to kill himself by eating/shoving massive amount of toilet paper down his throat and the…

I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation for why a high profile figure wouldn't have a camera pointed at them 24/7. And a second camera for backup.

Cost, specifically:

$200 camera < Implicated billionaires

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

metalliqaz wrote: post #141
chrischen wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel ike for that Americans feel like temporarily embarrassed millionaires, but not necessarily temporarily embarrassed underage sex traffickers .

I'm not sure I buy that "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" line. People are tribal and will fight tooth and nail to defend their tribe's beliefs, no matter how little it applies to themselves. People know they will never be rich. Almost everyone knows that. I think it's more accurate to say that Americans have poor education in civics and finance, and cling to near-religious dogma as a result.

> People know they will never be rich. Almost everyone knows that.

I don't think the average American knows that until they hit 40, hence the midlife crisis.

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