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Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by shadowgovt »

throwaway743 wrote: post #59
snagglegaggle wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently as Epstein arrived or shortly before his death the guards were rotated and two with very little suicide watch experience were present. One was also caught sleeping?

Also the cameras just so happened to not have been recording at the time of the incident... doesn't seem coincidental considering his profile and potential to bring down some big name elites

This is the problem with conspiracy theories... Avoidable accidents and conspiracy theories have the same fact pattern, which is an overlap of failure modes that should have been preventable but weren't prevented.

Was the Titanic disaster a tragic accident borne of negligence... or a conspiracy to assassinate John Jacob Astor and make it look like an accident? A lot had to go wrong to make an unsinkable ship sink. Who paid off the watchmen that evening? Why was the captain going so fast? And did one of Astor's rivals gain a contract to sell the steel that... etc., etc.

Occam's razor is important to keep handy, and Occam's razor here should be factoring in that American prisons are designed-by-committee-and-cruelty shit that have needed a massive overhaul for decades.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by grouseway »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #44
justicezyx wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember what Hilter said before?

No, I don't. Could you be more specific, rather than just hinting?

My guess is that he is referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by jacquesm »

bdamm wrote: post #35
kgwxd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would think anyone privy to the situation would be handled the same way, by threat of death to them or loved ones. Maybe a little cash to ease the mental burden. I'd like to think I could withstand such a threat like a fictional hero, but I have my doubts. I hope to never know for sure.

I do happen to know that for me to ignore murder took nothing more than the implied threat that I would be murdered myself by the team doing the murder. I learned my lesson; getting away with murder is not hard for people that are good at it.

Wow. That's quite the comment. Especially from someone easily traced. Are you sure you want to leave this up?

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by threatofrain »

bsamuels wrote: post #5

I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? Can you get away with bribing a single guard or is a larger operation needed? If you bribe people, how do you get the money to them? How do you keep them quiet when the inevitable investigation happens? I don't think it's impossible, b…

Perhaps the machinery was already long corrupt, and so being in prison means being close to someone's grasp at all times.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by throwaway829 »

jowday wrote: post #37
bsamuels wrote: post #5

I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? Can you get away with bribing a single guard or is a larger operation needed? If you bribe people, how do you get the money to them? How do you keep them quiet when the inevitable investigation happens? I don't think it's impossible, b…

It's likely Epstein was tied up with CIA. Once they enter the picture, everything's fair game. https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligenc...

Robert Maxwell has been accused of being a Mossad agent. Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Robert Maxwell. Upon his death, six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended his funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogized him and stated: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by mcguire »

feelthepress wrote: post #67

94% of cases of suicidal hangings do NOT break the hyoid. Must look at proximate causes, including foul play.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20973326:

"Fractures of the hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage in 25% of Thais who died of suicidal hanging were related with older ages and incomplete hanging but not related with location of the knot."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30015282:

"Altogether, we identified the following types of laryngohyoid fractures in 129 of 178 cases (72.5%): isolated fracture(s) to the thyroid cartilage in 60 cases (33.7%), combined thyrohyoid fractures in 41 cases (23.0%), isolated fracture(s) to the hyoid bone in 28 cases (15.7%), and no fractures to the cricoid cartilage or the cervical vertebrae."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13531...:

"There were a total of 40 cases of suicidal hanging with an age range of 17–74 years (average = 35 years; M:F = 33:7). Fractures of neck structures were identified in 19 cases (47.5%) and were more common in older victims and males. Nine victims had only thyroid cartilage fractures (22.5%), four victims had only fractures of the hyoid bone (10%), and six victims had fractures of both the hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage (15%)."

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by moltensodium »

Yeah, outside of Lee Harvey Oswald this guy was the most important prisoner in the history of the USA. The fact that he just "suicided" in prison and we're all supposed to move on and share links about suicide awareness is utter nonsense.

If the corporate media doesn't get to the bottom of this then someone else will, it's just a matter of time. Everyone is so tired of being lied to by authority figures.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by raxxorrax »

542458 wrote: post #19
mikece wrote: post #2

I tend to be very skeptical of claims of conspiracy and conspiracy theories in general but I've yet to hear a reasonable theory to explain how Epstein could have killed himself in a cell and unit where suicide is made a practical impossibility. A friend in law enforcement related a story about someone on suicide watch who managed to kill himself by eating/shoving massive amount of toilet paper down his throat and the…

> killed himself in a cell and unit where suicide is made a practical impossibility Ken White (famous-ish lawyer and notable internet personality) puts it this way: "But your assessment of plausibility is based on your assumptions about how the system works. Those assumptions are, mostly, wrong — naive Dick-Wolf-level law-enforcement-are-competent-good-guys stuff". Prisons, particularly american prisons, are full of…

The two broken cameras must have been incompetent as well then. Not suggesting a conspiracy, but I wouldn't call it that anyway. Maybe it was just a crime.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by tyingq »

saalweachter wrote: post #88
hurrdurr2 wrote: post #43

It sure was convenient for a lot of high profile people that this guy is dead. The cameras happened to malfunction on that day... guy got taken off suicide watch. Also his cell mate was an ex-cop who looks like he could snap people in half without trying. I mean come on.

Former cellmate; Epstein had no cellmate at the time of his death.

What happened when they were cell mates is pretty curious.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/16/epsteins-ex-cellmate-cleared...

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by partiallypro »

goatinaboat wrote: post #70
partiallypro wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was taken off of suicide watch, so he had all the materials he needed to kill himself. Also...every person I've read with working knowledge of that prison has stressed the gross negligence and incompetence there.

he had all the materials he needed to kill himself He is alleged to have hung himself with materials no stronger than tissue paper.

Says who? He was hung with a bed sheet.
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