Open source projects at large need to move to decentralized, censor-resistant Git hosting. Some interesting projects in this area to watch are Ellcrys and Gitchain.
Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
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Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
#232Github will not be shutdown over any action they do or do not take in Spain. The worst that can happen to Github is that they are prevented from doing business in Spain. Given how strongly Spain has come down against freedom of expression on the Catalonia issue, Github is making it very clear by taking this action that freedom of expression is not one of their values. Let me repeat, Spain has come down hard enough ag…
What a tremendously uneducated comment. Freedom of expression has not being limited in Spain in any way or form, not at all. The apk was removed because a judge (not politics, not the police) confirmed that the app was used to organize violent manifestations. And GitHub had to legally comply with the warrant. No action is being taken to stop manifestations, only to stop the organization of violence. In case you want…
What’s the name of the judge?
Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I'm against the Catalonian independence, so everyone knows where I'm coming from The question is if a democracy can be called democratic if it's impossible/unlawful for minorities to secede. I also think that a secession wouldn't be the smartest choice, but that's a totally different matter. A functional democracy implies that the whole has to arrange itself democratically with the parts it consists of, if not it ri…
It's neither impossible nor unlawful though, they just need the rest of the country to agree with them leaving. The fascist dictator who formed modern Spain made it so its constituent lands can expel a part of it but no one part of it can choose to leave. This is the root of why the procés is illegal, and why they are being charged as violent agitators. They are seen as young kids trying to leave their parent's house…
it would be ridiculous to expect a colony of a monarchy to be expected to overthrow the government in order to "legally" split off. i'm not sure why this is any different - if they win, then the new country obviously won't be held to whatever rules the old one had. this is sort of the nature of the game - successful nations splitting off get to "live to tell the tale".
Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
#234Don't get the wrong message because they use the term Democratic and play being the victims. Majority of people in Catalonia do not support secession. Those are the real victims, the 50%-ish which are silent, and suffering every day not being able to declare in public their love for their country, Spain and Catalonia, their region. They used this app to organize violent riots, taking advantage of the pacifist demonst…
It's similar to Brexit. No matter what the government does, 50% of people will be utterly pissed off. But the biggest problem is that, unlike the UK where Scotland was allowed to hold a proper referendum in 2014, the Spanish government is not only not allowing holding a real referendum that would settle the issue for the next few years, but also prosecuting those responsible for the 2017 referendum with extremely har…
> 13 years, that's on the upper range for murder in Germany, for comparison
That's obviously false.
Murder carries a penalty of life imprisonment, and while there are regular checks whether a murderer can be released, those checks start after 15 years imprisonment at the earliest, and there is no guarantee whatsoever that the prisoner gets eventually released.
It is absolutely possible and not uncommon to spend the rest of your life in prison (or until very shortly before your death, because prisons aren't really equipped to handle bedridden people who need full-time care).
Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
#235There are two different issues here (looking at the comments)
- Github blocking the repo: Not sure if many of you know it, but the App was involved "directly or indirectly" on organising demonstrations with the purpose of blocking certain infrastructures, like airports. So I'm not really surprised that it got blocked.
- Catalonian independence movement: For those who are not up-to-date, this is a very complex topic. There are not good or bad people here. Spanish government is preventing that the country gets dismembered, specially by the rich regions who prefer not to support the poor ones (originally, they started the movement with the phrase "Spain steal from us"). Those politicians incarcerated broke the law in several occasions even after being warned, so the court decision is understandable (even if I don't agree with it). They are not the ones who need to solve a political problem, only apply the law.
In regards to solving this conflict, no side is willing to step back, so I'm afraid that this issue won't be solved on my generation. Spanish citizens strongly believe that they all (including all regions) should be able to decide the future of their country. Separatist believe that only them (Catalans) should be able to decide, so here lies the problem. The situation is not comparable to Scotland as Catalonia was never a separate entity, it was part of the Kingdom of Aragon centuries ago. There was not prior agreement between countries, in contrast with Scotland and England.
Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
What a tremendously uneducated comment. Freedom of expression has not being limited in Spain in any way or form, not at all. The apk was removed because a judge (not politics, not the police) confirmed that the app was used to organize violent manifestations. And GitHub had to legally comply with the warrant. No action is being taken to stop manifestations, only to stop the organization of violence. In case you want…
> What a tremendously uneducated comment. Freedom of expression has not being limited in Spain in any way or form, not at all. What an ironic couple of sentences tied together... In Spain we have rappers who have been sentenced to jail time for having lyrics criticizing the King. If that isn't limiting freedom of expression, I don't know what is. Reference: https://www.elperiodico.com/es/ocio-y-cultura/20180221/valto…
I think he's talking about the Github takedown notice, not about Spain in general
Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty meaningless index when American citizens are free to promote a separatist agenda and the higher ranked Spaniards can't.
Yes we can. There are independentists in parliament. The president of Catalonia is an independentist. Pro-independence demonstrations happen and there are no arrests just by going there (except in riots, but that's because the police force is way too uncontrolled, not because of a general freedom of expression issue). This takedown was to an app that was used to organize a blockage of a major airport. I do not agree…
The treatment of Carles Puigdemont and others is hardly consistent with free expression.
Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is their agenda? Given that a large part of a country wants secession, isn't it only democratic to vote on it?
> Given that a large part of a country wants secession, isn't it only democratic to vote on it? They did vote for it, and pro-independence political parties failed to win the popular vote in the last democratic election of catalonia in 2017: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Catalan_regional_election That is, there is no majority of voters in Catalonia that want independence, according to the last election. Failing…
> IMO the worst parts of this are that (1) ~50% of the population has a different opinion than the other 50%, and they will need to manage to live together independently of how things turn out, and (2) Catalonia's politicians do not care about their constituents, and only appear to care about those constituents that voted for them. I personally think that's pretty shameful, and don't have any respect for any of the politicians on either side.
That's pretty exactly the UK/Brexit problem as well. :(
You could literally s/Catalonia/UK/g and have the sentence be 100% valid for the UK too. :)
Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's similar to Brexit. No matter what the government does, 50% of people will be utterly pissed off. But the biggest problem is that, unlike the UK where Scotland was allowed to hold a proper referendum in 2014, the Spanish government is not only not allowing holding a real referendum that would settle the issue for the next few years, but also prosecuting those responsible for the 2017 referendum with extremely har…
Ok lets break this down. Its not similar to Brexit, United kingdom is a union of different countries, Spain is a single country. The UK allowed a referendum because it has to. Spain voted its constitution in 1978, that means most of the voters are still alive and it got ratified in every community including Barcelona. So there are people protesting now that the constitution does not imminently allow a referendum that…
> The UK allowed a referendum because it has to
No? There was no "has to" involved anywhere, it was a choice of the central government to permit it. Referendums are extremely rare in the UK until recently, and all run on an adhoc basis.
Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
#240Is there any technical reason why an APK cannot be hosted on IPFS? I've read so many discussions where the big problem with IPFS is that content does not get distributed across the nodes fully and is unavailable. This event seems like a situation where the usage would support and guarantee availability.
Is Dat another option?