Github will not be shutdown over any action they do or do not take in Spain. The worst that can happen to Github is that they are prevented from doing business in Spain. Given how strongly Spain has come down against freedom of expression on the Catalonia issue, Github is making it very clear by taking this action that freedom of expression is not one of their values. Let me repeat, Spain has come down hard enough ag…
Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can count with one hand the amount of state constitutions that allow the sudden declaration of independence of a part of their territory. Self-determination is a right you reject when you step foot on Spain (and practically every other country). We might have to change that, I don't know, but the Spanish constitution is no fascist rule, or else almost all modern democratic states are, too. It is very complicated.
Is it? The UK allowed Scotland to decide and it's been peaceful. Also, isn't the relevant section of the Spanish constitution from a fascist era?
* Please don’t quote me on this since it’s been 12 years I did constitutional law
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#163Github will not be shutdown over any action they do or do not take in Spain. The worst that can happen to Github is that they are prevented from doing business in Spain. Given how strongly Spain has come down against freedom of expression on the Catalonia issue, Github is making it very clear by taking this action that freedom of expression is not one of their values. Let me repeat, Spain has come down hard enough ag…
I see you've linked your Github in your profile. Why not put your money where your mouth is and delete your Github account now?
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#164Github will not be shutdown over any action they do or do not take in Spain. The worst that can happen to Github is that they are prevented from doing business in Spain. Given how strongly Spain has come down against freedom of expression on the Catalonia issue, Github is making it very clear by taking this action that freedom of expression is not one of their values. Let me repeat, Spain has come down hard enough ag…
Would you rather choose a company that doesn't comply with local laws?
Most governments ( no doubt, yours too), want companies operating under their jurisdiction to obey their laws (Things get complicated on the web but the basic premise holds), to say nothing of the fact that freedom of speech is not absolute (not condoning or condemning the current action)
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#165They used this app to organize violent riots, taking advantage of the pacifist demonstrations organized by the pro-secession political parties.
The big problem in Catalonia is exactly that the ratio is around 50%-50%, but the status quo is that Catalonia is part of Spain, so the pro-secession will keep protesting, and the government shutting them down, and more important, defending the 50%+ of Spaniards which live in Catalonia and want to remain part of Spain. No one talk about these ones!
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#166Github will not be shutdown over any action they do or do not take in Spain. The worst that can happen to Github is that they are prevented from doing business in Spain. Given how strongly Spain has come down against freedom of expression on the Catalonia issue, Github is making it very clear by taking this action that freedom of expression is not one of their values. Let me repeat, Spain has come down hard enough ag…
Github has made that very clear when they took down the parody feminist programming language C+=. There were no legal notices or government threats or anything. They simply did not like the message.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/12/14/1618239/github-take...
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#167Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository
#168Github will not be shutdown over any action they do or do not take in Spain. The worst that can happen to Github is that they are prevented from doing business in Spain. Given how strongly Spain has come down against freedom of expression on the Catalonia issue, Github is making it very clear by taking this action that freedom of expression is not one of their values. Let me repeat, Spain has come down hard enough ag…
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
This may be very selfish of me but I'd prefer if Github didn't get shut down over some political argument that I'm not a party in. It would also involve Github taking sides in a very divise political issue that is far from black and white.
What mechanism could a Spanish court use to shut down an American multi-billion dollar company? At worst, it could get GitHub blocked in Spain, or a local Microsoft office might get a stern look or two before Spain renews its Office 365 contract or whatever.
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#170Don't get the wrong message because they use the term Democratic and play being the victims. Majority of people in Catalonia do not support secession. Those are the real victims, the 50%-ish which are silent, and suffering every day not being able to declare in public their love for their country, Spain and Catalonia, their region. They used this app to organize violent riots, taking advantage of the pacifist demonst…
But the biggest problem is that, unlike the UK where Scotland was allowed to hold a proper referendum in 2014, the Spanish government is not only not allowing holding a real referendum that would settle the issue for the next few years, but also prosecuting those responsible for the 2017 referendum with extremely harsh sentences (13 years, that's on the upper range for murder in Germany, for comparison!) and repressing the pro-secession movement brutally.
Fuck the Spanish government hard for this.