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It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…
This is like...two decades too late. China has their fingers in everything now.
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Seems like you'll want to petition the Dutch, Japanese, and Taiwanese governments to take some kind of action, then.
They should consider that too, yes. Taiwan especially. South Korea, too has advanced lithography capabilities, so add it to the list. China doesn't have domestic lithography beyond 28nm IIRC. Which, to be clear, is not a joke either, but it's 1/16th the density of the state of the art.
This is like...two decades too late. China has their fingers in everything now.
Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN and post don't post nationalistic flamebait to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Note: I’m “western” but far from US.
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I think it’s probably better to think of those enlightenment ideals as not something particularly western in nature as they were opposed violently for centuries by the entrenched power structures of the west.
Pretty much every major social change has been violently opposed by pre-existing power structures, so I'm not sure that's a meaningful distinction. Is there another region outside of Europe that independently came up with a similar set of ideals as to what emerged from the Enlightenment[1]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
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Pretty much every major social change has been violently opposed by pre-existing power structures, so I'm not sure that's a meaningful distinction. Is there another region outside of Europe that independently came up with a similar set of ideals as to what emerged from the Enlightenment[1]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
I’m not saying it didn’t originate in Europe. I am saying that most Europeans opposed it for centuries and it’s barely holding on in a lot of Europe even today. There’s nothing about the western mind or western culture that makes it more suited for institutions based around those principles. It was a long struggle to achieve them and it will be a long struggle to keep them. People of the west were no more well suited…
The Enlightenment certainly originated in the West (Western Europe), and while there are certain cultural aspects that are more compatible with Enlightenment ideals -- primus inter pares and such -- there is no reason why those ideals couldn't find a new home in some other region (Asia, Africa, etc.)
Ideas are bound, not by borders, but by brains.
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Not intending to speak for others, but I believe that the original poster intended "ideals as practiced by the CCP" (e.g., Cultural Revolution, Red Guards, etc), and it sounds to me like you are espousing the Chinese culture of the 1911 revolution, which does indeed support the rights of individuality, privacy, free speech, and self defense.
If such deeply-held values can flip within 40 years, then what does it mean to say one set is "Eastern" and one is "Western"?
I'm afraid you've lost me...?
> ...what does it mean to say one set is "Eastern" and one is "Western"?
I suspect that's more of a historical convention than anything else. Probably would have used the term "Enlightenment" rather than "Western", myself.
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GP can do something very simple as a test. I’ll go to Washington and he’ll go to Beijing. We will both hold up a sign criticizing each leader. I wonder what will happen... I’ll go to London, Berlin, and Paris and do the same thing. Maybe I’ll need a permit in the US/Europe and do it for a week.
When I actually visit, I will look into this. It's easy to tell all kinds of crazy stories about would happen in China, but do you have direct evidence? I don't, but I know for a fact that expat communities usually bitterly hate the government, and blast those opinions publicly all over the internet.
All information about the Tiananmen Square massacre is blocked in China by the great firewall. What more evidence do you need?
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When I actually visit, I will look into this. It's easy to tell all kinds of crazy stories about would happen in China, but do you have direct evidence? I don't, but I know for a fact that expat communities usually bitterly hate the government, and blast those opinions publicly all over the internet.
> but do you have direct evidence? All information about the Tiananmen Square massacre is blocked in China by the great firewall. What more evidence do you need?
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It's not unsubstantive or flamebait. It's fact. Chinese companies have been throwing a lot of money at Western companies for years, which gives the CCP a crazy amount of influence over wide swaths of the economy. But yeah, let's squabble over what's flamebait while the CCP slowly takes over the world.
HN users can, and do, make thoughtful points on such topics from many different viewpoints. "China has their fingers in everything" is not that.