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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by jlgaddis »

austhrow743 wrote: post #192
brongondwana wrote: post #151

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hah - nice segue to a feature request! You can access notes via IMAP, so that's an easy way to get the whole lot raw. As for a more general download - what would you be looking for? A zip file containing all the notes?

Thanks! I was looking for an export button for them earlier today so when I saw you comment I couldn't help myself. A zip file with all notes in it would be fantastic. I just want to feel like my data is safe from Apple having a bug that wipes it. Read a lot of Catalina horror stories. IMAP looks promising and might be all I need. Neither Spark or Apple Mail seem to let me export mail as txt but presumably there's a…

It's not the ideal solution and certainly not as easy as clicking a button but, for a quick 'n dirty solution, you might look into using "offlineimap" and configuring it to sync only your notes folder instead of all of them.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by gnicholas »

sdan wrote: post #316
gnicholas wrote: post #281

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FWIW, I tried creating a Hacker News account via Tor. I was hit with an unending stream of CAPTCHAs. Eventually gave up. I was surprised/disappointed to see this happen on HN.

Possibly because HN was under attack a few weeks ago. More about that here: https://sdan.xyz/hnhack

This was months or years ago.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by mav3rick »

cnst wrote: post #341
LeonM wrote: post #259

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Judging by your username I don't expect you to share the domain name here, but if you need a second opinion, send me a PM and I'll analyse the domain for you. There is usually some misconfiguration somewhere that goes overlooked. Happens to the best of us :-)

If this is the kind of technical advice you provide, which merely assumes that Google can do no wrong, and the user on the other end is incapable of pressing a button on a yet another website that checks email configuration, merely to confirm that the configuration of their mail server is not in any way incorrect, then it's not a surprise that you get downvoted into oblivion, according to your own statement earlier i…

I can't provide any technical advice unless the op shows their config. I am downvoted because this community is already biased thinking Google must be at fault and the configuration can't be wrong at all ?.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by cnst »

mav3rick wrote: post #354
cnst wrote: post #341

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If this is the kind of technical advice you provide, which merely assumes that Google can do no wrong, and the user on the other end is incapable of pressing a button on a yet another website that checks email configuration, merely to confirm that the configuration of their mail server is not in any way incorrect, then it's not a surprise that you get downvoted into oblivion, according to your own statement earlier i…

I can't provide any technical advice unless the op shows their config. I am downvoted because this community is already biased thinking Google must be at fault and the configuration can't be wrong at all ?.

I would say the community is biased the other way around, where everyone always thinks that it's the little guy that has invalid configuration, instead of Google being at fault.

What sort of config do you require from the OP? Their domain name is public and uncensored right in the top of the post. Their configuration has been cross-checked by many people so far. A lot of folks claimed that it has issues (like a `?all` in SPF, or `p=none` in DMARC, or some other nonsense that any spammer would easily get right), but those issues have been rebuked as not being significant to the issue at stake, plus, there's absolutely no confirmation that fixing these "issues" would resolve the problem, either.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by lonelappde »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #215
dageshi wrote: post #195

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This is essentially HN with every single Google related post nowadays. Good or bad, people hate Google, they hate it the way they used to hate Microsoft, they see everything it does as being nefarious. People ignore the email spammers, SEO spammers, automated password crackers and blame google for the solutions they put in place to combat those things. It's impossible to reason with them, honestly I think it's just b…

I am not an email spammer, an SEO spammer, an automated password cracker, or a jaded failed Google canidate. I have my mailserver configured in pretty much an optimal way, with all the special bells and whistles, have never sent spam, and never will. Gmail refuses to deliver my mail, so please don't lump me in with malicious people and then say my concerns should just be ignored.

That may be true, but unless you post relevant technical details, that means nothing to strangers in the Internet.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by lonelappde »

shadowgovt wrote: post #301
guizb wrote: post #119

The email landscape is substantially more complex now than it was three decades ago. The poster seems to be frustrated that he is mostly getting technical explanations to his rather emotionally fueled question. He is literally phishing for an argument on the morals of a big company deciding he is a potential spammer without absolute proof. He made it clear that his opinion is that there should be a system in place at…

Basically. His fundamental issue is that Internet services that lack an authority framework organically bred "ghetto" infrastructures, where things work worse because a person lacks access to "the right kind of people" in a system that's supposed to be democratized. He's not wrong, but it's not like someone sat down and decreed some email sources should be untrusted for fun; the system started out very implicitly tru…

I'm curious how you define "democracy". Email delivery is very democratic, with each person having the power to choose with whom they associate and who they choose to delegate decisions to. Anyone who doesn't like Google's spam blocker can advertise an alternate address on a mail server that welcomes all submissions (or host a blog, or join a freely open IRC channel,...)

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by lonelappde »

tytso wrote: post #348
_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #207

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Even after reading that, I'm not sure what an email hobbit is. Someone who just wants to live in a cozy hole in the ground with a few nice email amenities?

It was an extended metaphor categorizing an ISP's (or a cloud provider) customers into multiple buckets: Kobolds, Lizardmen, Hobbits, and Princesses. Princeses were the customres which sometimes required a lot of customer support, but paid really well because they purchased a lot of services/VM's. Hobbits were customers who basically minded their own business, and didn't guy a lot of stuff, but didn't cause any probl…

It's incredible that even in an arcane technical discussion that detoured through a metaphor to races and species rooted in not one but mutliple niche sunbgenress of fantasy literature, the author still managed to cram in some bizarre sexism.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by lonelappde »

megous wrote: post #170
guizb wrote: post #119

The email landscape is substantially more complex now than it was three decades ago. The poster seems to be frustrated that he is mostly getting technical explanations to his rather emotionally fueled question. He is literally phishing for an argument on the morals of a big company deciding he is a potential spammer without absolute proof. He made it clear that his opinion is that there should be a system in place at…

It doesn't really matter if he or the gmail user initiates the conversation, in my experience. Probably the only reliable way to communicate with gmail users is to send them 5xx response right away when they first contact you, and inform them there about the situation, and that they should check spam and why, tell them to resend, and let the other messages from the same gmail address through (maybe repeat this from t…

You could try that. But I'm not sure so many people would think that corresponding with you is worth the trouble.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by lonelappde »

gm wrote: post #252
mav3rick wrote: post #211

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You don't understand the scale of this problem. It's such a fad to "fire" someone because you think "it's an easy problem".

I think it should suffice to know that after one repeatedly trains the google spam filter with "report not spam" and "mark as spam", it should learn that well enough, no? As an example: Some dumb ass Verizon customer gave them my email address as their own. I got a ton of communications from Verizon that I could not turn off (bill past due, thank you for you promise to pay, and all sorts of really annoying messages).…

Why don't you build your solution and show it to HN and Google or Microsoft? I'm sure someone at a big company would convince an exec to pay you at least $10M for your improved spam filter.
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