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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by winthrowe »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #20
osamagirl69 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a hotmail throwaway account (it has since been migrated to outlook with the microsoft buyout) and its spam filter is completely backward. There is currently 373 e-mails in my inbox (100% spam, expected since it is a throwaway...) and 4 e-mails in my spam folder--100% of them the account registration/confirmation e-mails that I was wanted. I have migrated to fastmail for all of my personal e-mail, which I have…

> it has since been migrated to outlook with the microsoft buyout Aside: Microsoft bought Hotmail in 1997! How old is that account?!

That Hotmail branding survived long after the purchase; in the last few years it's the same interface as their 365 business offering now, and under outlook.com branding.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by austhrow743 »

brongondwana wrote: post #151
austhrow743 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for not being evil. Please allow me to export notes to txt.

hah - nice segue to a feature request! You can access notes via IMAP, so that's an easy way to get the whole lot raw. As for a more general download - what would you be looking for? A zip file containing all the notes?

Thanks! I was looking for an export button for them earlier today so when I saw you comment I couldn't help myself.

A zip file with all notes in it would be fantastic. I just want to feel like my data is safe from Apple having a bug that wipes it. Read a lot of Catalina horror stories.

IMAP looks promising and might be all I need. Neither Spark or Apple Mail seem to let me export mail as txt but presumably there's a mail client out there that does in which case problem solved. Thank you for point that feature out, should throw it up on:

https://www.fastmail.com/help/account/downloaddata.html#tran...

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by jacquesm »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #177
jacquesm wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way that Google would suddenly start to mark as spam continuations of threads that were perfectly fine between senders that have been in contact for years unless their spam filters were either seriously broken or they tweak them to cause more people to switch to gmail.

I'm afraid you're wrong here, Jacques. When you refer to specific threads going back and forth this may be. But here's my counter example. I sent emails to my girlfriend's gmail address from my own domain hosted on a mail server run by a reputable company for years with no problem, whatsoever. Then, on vacation in Thailand, my rather elaborate trip reports for which there's really no plausible explanation that they c…

You can fix your spelling errors but you still failed to properly read what you were replying to.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by dageshi »

LeonM wrote: post #152
guizb wrote: post #119

The email landscape is substantially more complex now than it was three decades ago. The poster seems to be frustrated that he is mostly getting technical explanations to his rather emotionally fueled question. He is literally phishing for an argument on the morals of a big company deciding he is a potential spammer without absolute proof. He made it clear that his opinion is that there should be a system in place at…

Rarely have I seen such concise and respectful way of describing the typical rants I see on HN way to often, bravo! I can only wish I had your writing skills. > It's insulting to the folks that are pouring their time replying to what they think is a user in need of technical assistance, only to eventually stop replying when it becomes obvious that he only replies with questions of morality and treats most answers as…

This is essentially HN with every single Google related post nowadays. Good or bad, people hate Google, they hate it the way they used to hate Microsoft, they see everything it does as being nefarious.

People ignore the email spammers, SEO spammers, automated password crackers and blame google for the solutions they put in place to combat those things.

It's impossible to reason with them, honestly I think it's just best to ignore posts like this.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by fastball »

daliusd wrote: post #178
fastball wrote: post #112

Blame spammers, not Google. Google isn't trying to block innocuous emails.

Why not both? Google can be evil too.

Yeah, but in this case Google isn't being evil.

Do you really thing Google wants to intentionally stop your innocuous emails from getting to your mail box? Why in the world would they want that?

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by rapind »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #97
irjustin wrote: post #79

I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…

> Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. Google's spam models freaking suck donkey dick. I use Fastmail but my university uses Google for email. A service we use (Piazza, class Q&A) sends notifications via email. Over the years I have gotten probably about 1k email notifications from them, and replied to a few of them too. Google h…

I'm not defending gmail, but I will say that some users simply suck (unintentionally). I bet some of your peers are just hitting the spam button instead of simply deleting the email, generating a bad reputation for the sender.

I've seen this with my SaaS. We ONLY send transactional emails like purchase receipts and login links (using postmark). We're very intentional about not sending anything remotely resembling marketing or spam, and sending as little as possible. Yet I still get the occasional user who will flag their purchase receipt as spam when all they really mean to do is delete it. They don't get the difference and don't realize that it matters which button they click.

I've noticed that in the past year or so gmail has made hitting the spam button more explicit and now have a confirmation message. Obviously they did this because some people were simply mashing that spam button instead of the delete or archive button.

I don't even blame the users. Most don't know the impact it has. But bad actors sending tons of spam have trained them to be cynical of any generic form email.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by Benjamin_Dobell »

Although the post is about self-hosted mail, I wouldn't be surprised to learn something fairly major changed in Google's spam filter a couple of weeks ago.

We use Google Apps (i.e. Gmail) and two weeks ago one of my co-workers noticed that another co-worker's emails were going to spam. Even though we're sending/receiving within the one GApps domain.

Upon investigation I discovered that one co-workers emails were indeed going to spam for everyone, myself included unless he sent the email from his Windows machine. In which case it passed Google's spam filter no problem. His mail signature is more complicated on Apple Mail, 2 URL links (to our own domain) and an embedded image (NOT a URL).

He's been using that same signature structure for yonks; yet just in the last two weeks it's a no go.

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