Gmail marking email from me as spam

Post by arpa » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 6:49 PM UTC

jlarocco wrote: post #262

irjustin wrote: post #79

I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…

> As a gmail user, I 100% appreciate keeping my inbox extremely clean. That's a silly way to spin this. They can keep your inbox super clean by just not delivering any mail at all. The way GMail is going, you'll soon only be able to get Google approved corporate spam using their email service. It took them longer, but they're pulling the same shit they did with XMPP. Open and standards compliant to begin with, and sl…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 6:55 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #164

Avamander wrote: post #148

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My low volume server can send mail very nicely. You can't however do your job half-assed, lack of strong SPF/TLS/DKIM isn't okay from both Google's and anti-spam perspective.

Doing all of that from a popular low-cost hosting provider like Hetzner is still insufficient to be able to send emails to new contacts. You still end up in spam.

Post by pera » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:07 PM UTC

tobias3 wrote: post #141

Twisell wrote: post #123

This finally get me to the point of understanding the "bad neighbor" signal that probably get my personal email (and some of my jobs) rejected from Gmail. Reading the thread was very instructive, but the most irritating point is that this rejection is mostly silent even if you send only 20 mail a week from your email address and all DKIM & all are in place. Lots of pedantic comment in this thread however, it seems th…

Ok, so the way OVH can solve the problem is the same way e.g. Amazon SES solves the problem. 1. They block all outgoing mail (outgoing 25, 465 and 587) and only open it up once you have submitted a ticket where you decribe for what purpose and how often you want to send mail (if you start off wanting to send a million mails per week they won't open outgoing mail at all). Manually review of those tickets is required s…

Post by mtsx » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:10 PM UTC

Post by greggman2 » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:45 PM UTC

rapind wrote: post #199

the_pwner224 wrote: post #97

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> Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. Google's spam models freaking suck donkey dick. I use Fastmail but my university uses Google for email. A service we use (Piazza, class Q&A) sends notifications via email. Over the years I have gotten probably about 1k email notifications from them, and replied to a few of them too. Google h…

I'm not defending gmail, but I will say that some users simply suck (unintentionally). I bet some of your peers are just hitting the spam button instead of simply deleting the email, generating a bad reputation for the sender. I've seen this with my SaaS. We ONLY send transactional emails like purchase receipts and login links (using postmark). We're very intentional about not sending anything remotely resembling mar…