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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by saagarjha »

xxs wrote: post #105
kalleboo wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was getting really long and annoying recaptcha all the time, presumably because I use Safari which has all that anti-tracking stuff. But lately (past 2-3 months?) I only get a single challenge, I wonder if they've found a way around the protection or if they've just changed the model

>Safari which has all that anti-tracking stuff. Default Safari option for 3rd party cookies is: "from visited". Check if you have cookies set, if you do - they know you have been a good boy.

It's not that simple with Intelligent Tracking Prevention.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by Moru »

fx32s wrote: post #115
the_pwner224 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. Google's spam models freaking suck donkey dick. I use Fastmail but my university uses Google for email. A service we use (Piazza, class Q&A) sends notifications via email. Over the years I have gotten probably about 1k email notifications from them, and replied to a few of them too. Google h…

It's curious that people have such diverging experiences with the spam filter. I think the claim that Google's filter is objectively worse should at least be supported by some evidence if you're going to make a bold statement like that. As another data point, for me and friends I it beats competitors by a large margin.

As a normal gmail user you won't notice this, all you see is that you get mail from your friends that you always mailed with. If you register on popular sites, their mail will also work. If however you are sitting on a new domain, sending mail to an old friend on gmail, it will very likely end up in the spam folder unless you are using a big provider that has reputation with google already.

I guess it's another case of survival bias. If it works you won't notice that it does not work in all cases.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by Twisell »

This finally get me to the point of understanding the "bad neighbor" signal that probably get my personal email (and some of my jobs) rejected from Gmail.

Reading the thread was very instructive, but the most irritating point is that this rejection is mostly silent even if you send only 20 mail a week from your email address and all DKIM & all are in place. Lots of pedantic comment in this thread however, it seems that nasty provider are well known by experts, but for the love of internet, please spread your mighty feedback to small-folk so that we can act accordingly.

Gonna open a ticket at my provider OVH (now I know).

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by GordonS »

dazbradbury wrote: post #106

I've had multiple legitimate emails from Google employees and their sales teams all end up in my Gmail spam folder, even from senior members of various divisions. I still get spam in my inbox. They definitely know this is a problem and have people working on it - but spam filtering at that scale is much harder than it may appear at first.

Personally, I find Gmail's spam filtering to be excellent.

In the past year or so,. I've had a single false positive, and zero false negatives.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by sambe »

xxs wrote: post #108
vfclists wrote: post #80

The legal naivete and indifference of otherwise technological savvy people is mind boggling. It is not the task of mail providers to block or hide email considered to be spam. It is the job of the end users, ie the email providers cusstomers and their software. Consider physical junk mail, ie the type that comes through the letter box. The post office does not decide what is junk mail or not, their job is to deliver…

>Consider physical junk mail... Where I live it takes a sticker 'no spam' glued to the mail box and no more junk happens

I've lived in several places where this practice is common and none where it remotely works - it's totally ignored. Where are you based?

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by thrower123 »

Gmail always marks the emails from my veterinarian, who has {business_name}@gmail.com, as spam. It's slightly irritating. However, seeing the mails that come in to our sales endpoints, gmail addresses are responsible for a huge percentage of the obvious spam.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by wccrawford »

Johnny555 wrote: post #49
LeoPanthera wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google does not have a monopoly on email 53% of email accounts in the US are with Gmail. What's the definition of a monopoly?

Is that a rhetorical question or you really don't know? Definition of monopoly: 1 : exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action 2 : exclusive possession or control 3 : a commodity controlled by one party 4 : one that has a monopoly https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monopoly

Since they seem to have confused "majority" and "monopoly", I suspect that they really didn't know, but thought they were being sarcastic.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by austhrow743 »

brongondwana wrote: post #110
LeoPanthera wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Moving to Fastmail" is such a popular alternative that if they ever get to any kind of reasonable size we'll be in the same position all over again. That should not be the suggestion. Many smaller providers encourages the competition necessary for an open network, not a small number of huge providers.

We're still a fair way away from that! We're growing steadily, but not at the same rate that "give it away free and work out how to monetize it later" services do. Worth it for having a sound business model and no venture capital breathing down our necks to turn evil though.

Thank you for not being evil.

Please allow me to export notes to txt.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by londons_explore »

cnst wrote: post #2

I'm actually having a similar problem recently, although my messages are declined at the SMTP stage, "due to the very low reputation of the sending domain", which I attribute to the output of certain cron jobs being sent towards my own Gmail account — it seems like my whole primary domain name has subsequently been blacklisted a few weeks ago: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21340460 * https://mailman.nanog.or…

You know you can set a rule to send nothing to spam? Or to whitelist certain senders/domains/subjects?
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