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Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

im3w1l wrote: post #95
WhompingWindows wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the first paragraph you're asking for causal explanation. Then in the second paragraph you're dishing out a bunch of potential causal explanations as confounders. Some researchers would deem it over-reaching to dish out causal explanations willy nilly. Most of those questions should be relegated to follow-up studies or a BRIEF mention in the discussion section. It's perfectly okay science to simply observe a pheno…

If you don't have the causal explanations then you cannot generalize beyond the population you sampled. What does that mean? That the correct conclusion to draw is very narrow: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do [in Graz, Austria, in the year 2019]

I mean, isn't incremental observations how science works? We got to the theory of evolution built on finch beaks in the galapagos.

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Post by k__ »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #125
k__ wrote: post #107

I'm living mit multiple partners and they are also dating multiple people. Since they tell me about their dating experience, I got more insight of how other men behave to women, then when I lived monogamous. What I wanted to say is, after what I heared from my partners about men they dated, I totally understand these results.

>What I wanted to say is, after what I heared from my partners about men they dated, I totally understand these results. Ex-partners are not exactly a reliable source of "the whole truth" even before we consider the content of the article. Edit: current partners are probably not the best source either, ask your local marriage counselor if you don't believe me.

True.

Thing is, they already talk about these men before they are exes.

I get the whole story, from first meeting to breakup.

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Post by jquanhunter »

k__ wrote: post #143
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What I wanted to say is, after what I heared from my partners about men they dated, I totally understand these results. Ex-partners are not exactly a reliable source of "the whole truth" even before we consider the content of the article. Edit: current partners are probably not the best source either, ask your local marriage counselor if you don't believe me.

True. Thing is, they already talk about these men before they are exes. I get the whole story, from first meeting to breakup.

hui

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by k__ »

ambicapter wrote: post #138
k__ wrote: post #107

I'm living mit multiple partners and they are also dating multiple people. Since they tell me about their dating experience, I got more insight of how other men behave to women, then when I lived monogamous. What I wanted to say is, after what I heared from my partners about men they dated, I totally understand these results.

Men are the WORST! BLEGH!

No, most of them just got huge ego problems.

And I can't blame them, I got them too. Society just forced them on me and now we all try to cope, some better than others...

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Post by vanderZwan »

moate wrote: post #130
im3w1l wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't have the causal explanations then you cannot generalize beyond the population you sampled. What does that mean? That the correct conclusion to draw is very narrow: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do [in Graz, Austria, in the year 2019]

>>Men [in their 20s] View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women[in their 20s] Do [in Graz, Austria, in the year 2019] Fixed that for you. It's even more narrow in scope.

For the medical equivalent, see: https://twitter.com/justsaysinmice

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by dahart »

hacknat wrote: post #60

Social Psychology has one of the worst reproducibility problems in all of academia. Claims like this make is easy to see why. Simple scientific inquiry into this claim leads me to the question, “Okay, but why? That women potentially harbor worse feelings of their ex partners on average than men is one of the most interesting but useless things I’ve heard. The confounding explanations for this type of research are min…

> The confounding explanations for this type of research are mind boggling.

Yes! This is very true, your questions are good questions to ask of any study of genders & attitudes. It’s even more important to ask of studies that try to factor out cultural issues, because confounding explanations are extremely difficult to remove.

> Social Psychology has one of the worst reproducibility problems in all of academia.

This is true, but it’s not scientifically fair to imply this study isn’t reproducible just because others weren’t.

> Simple scientific inquiry into this claim leads me to the question, “Okay, but why?

Science doesn’t necessarily answer why. Physics has one of the better reproducibility rates, and we’d love to know why, but we don’t truly know why yet. We don’t know why gravity exists, we know it’s a force that’s there, and we can predict what it’ll do, we know it happens in proportion to mass and inverse squared distance, but why? Science hasn’t answered that.

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Post by kls »

scarmig wrote: post #80
throwaway66920 wrote: post #72

> Second, there may be gender differences in the perceived causes of breakups. Women blame their male partners more often for breakups than men blame their female partners (Choo et al., 1996). In addition, women more frequently report problematic partner behaviors as the reason for a breakup, such as infidelity, substance abuse, and mental or physical abuse (Amato & Previti, 2003; Morris, Reiber, & Roman, 2015). Men,…

Alternatively, society ascribes agency to men in a way it doesn't to women, and so men are less likely to blame external factors or expect support.

Right, they just need to man up. I say that in jest but you hit on an important part of it. While some may not admit fault in the open, Men (I know I am generalizing) do internalize failure, it is a core part of their ego and identity. So it would seem natural for them to internalize the failure of a relationship.

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Post by TallGuyShort »

wl wrote: post #59
conanbatt wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If gender identity is not biological, what is it?

It's all the social stuff that goes along with being a "man", "woman", or whatever other identity we adopt.

I don't understand how someone can simply adopt stereotypes of another gender, consider themselves that gender, and then be considered that gender. If I'm a man according to my chromosomes, but my mannerisms, grooming, music and fashion choices are considered feminine, am I woman? Or just a feminine man? And if I'm a woman, but I'm still attracted to other women, am I entitled to represent myself as a lesbian? All I've done is choose to express some preferences, and then consider myself a part of a group based on stereotypes of that group. How is that not stereotyping and appropriation? The only thing left is what label I want to put on myself, which is largely meaningless.

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Post by qaq »

Spooky23 wrote: post #139
malvosenior wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me the negative consequences are about the same for men and women. Lots of women speak poorly of their exes and get their friend groups turned against them...

I mentioned to a group of friends that I had run into a female acquinatance from 20+ years ago, who is now a judge. The reaction: "Lol. She was quite the party girl." Not the reaction that you'd get re: a dude.

? Why that's a pretty common reaction for a dude too
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