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The level of spam I have received has dropped precipitously because of it. For that I'm grateful. Whatever they have done has worked, and people don't seem to remember how bad it was 10 years ago. Now my email is relatively clear of spam and that's a great thing for safety and security as well.
They will accept an email, with all outward symptoms being normal, but it will not appear anywhere in the user's mailbox. Not even in the Spam folder.
This started few months ago when we were sending out our (rather infrequent) newsletter. 5th or so message to ...@yahoo.com address failed with
421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from xx.xx.xx.xx temporarily
deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html
(in reply to MAIL FROM command)
As I mentioned above, the "best" part is that none of these emails would actually make it into recipient's mailboxes. They disappear.
Better yet, all subsequent (non-bulk) emails have the same fate as do _replies_ to emails from Ymail users. This last bit is what makes this look like a shadow ban.
All attempts to contact Yahoo went unanswered, including those made through Gmail. Ditto for whitelisting requests through their web form.
If anyone has any ideas what the hell's going on, I'd be curious to hear them.
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No, it's incorrect to say that running an email server requires just "a bit more work". Google basically no longer allows low volume servers to send mail. I wrote more about this here: https://www.attejuvonen.fi/dont-send-email-from-your-own-ser...
My low volume server can send mail very nicely. You can't however do your job half-assed, lack of strong SPF/TLS/DKIM isn't okay from both Google's and anti-spam perspective.
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> Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. Google's spam models freaking suck donkey dick. I use Fastmail but my university uses Google for email. A service we use (Piazza, class Q&A) sends notifications via email. Over the years I have gotten probably about 1k email notifications from them, and replied to a few of them too. Google h…
Your comment prompted me to go through my GMail spam folder. I noticed 4 emails (out of 100) that weren't spam, including one from Blue Origin (!), 2 from a mailing list that's usually delivered to my Inbox, and 1 from an online shop (confirming my purchase).
I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19756125
From a few months ago. Self-hosted email getting dropped for seemingly no reason.
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I am not an email spammer, an SEO spammer, an automated password cracker, or a jaded failed Google canidate. I have my mailserver configured in pretty much an optimal way, with all the special bells and whistles, have never sent spam, and never will. Gmail refuses to deliver my mail, so please don't lump me in with malicious people and then say my concerns should just be ignored.
And is your server sitting on the same IP range as those that do? Do you know? Google provides a service to its users, they don't provide a service to you.
I'm actually having a similar problem recently, although my messages are declined at the SMTP stage, "due to the very low reputation of the sending domain", which I attribute to the output of certain cron jobs being sent towards my own Gmail account — it seems like my whole primary domain name has subsequently been blacklisted a few weeks ago: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21340460 * https://mailman.nanog.or…
I use SES from AWS and now my new user sign ups emails for email verification also end up in spam. It’s very frustrating because they changed some rule and now my low volume email sending is considered spam
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Yes, the big mail providers are an issue. But it's also an issue the other way around. We use Postmark at my place of work and unfortunately, that doesn't prevent all of our mail from being marked as spam. Some mail gets blocked because it comes from the same IP address as some spam mail. I know that Postmark puts effort in preventing spammers to use their service but Amazon probably doesn't care a lot about people m…
Wouldn't that imply that they have a lot of spammers on their network? As far as I understand, the value proposition is both "you don't need to worry about email" and "we have so many customers (sending legitimate emails that are very similar in content) and so little spam, we have great reputation and you're inheriting that reputation". If that doesn't work out, is their reputation not good enough? Is the receiving…
We got blocked once because we got a single spam click: the ISP said they have a zero tolerance policy. We had years of sending hundreds of email per week without a spam click.
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> As a gmail user, I 100% appreciate keeping my inbox extremely clean. Google's spam filter is a welcome addition. Interesting how different things are for different users. Gmails spam protection isn't working at all for me. Confirmation emails from reputable sources get into spam, while really obvious spam messages get into my inbox. I mean.. really, really obvious messages. With "dfdf" a thousand times at the end j…
I wish spam filters would automatically move all marketing/newsletters to spam