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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by tobias3 »

Twisell wrote: post #123

This finally get me to the point of understanding the "bad neighbor" signal that probably get my personal email (and some of my jobs) rejected from Gmail. Reading the thread was very instructive, but the most irritating point is that this rejection is mostly silent even if you send only 20 mail a week from your email address and all DKIM & all are in place. Lots of pedantic comment in this thread however, it seems th…

Ok, so the way OVH can solve the problem is the same way e.g. Amazon SES solves the problem.

1. They block all outgoing mail (outgoing 25, 465 and 587) and only open it up once you have submitted a ticket where you decribe for what purpose and how often you want to send mail (if you start off wanting to send a million mails per week they won't open outgoing mail at all). Manually review of those tickets is required so that bad actors can't get through. Difficulty of getting through the review needs to be adjusted upwards till it is too much work for bad actors (and they switch to another provider).

2. Monitor bounce-backs and have a spam reporting form for OVH IP ranges. Start blocking outgoing mail pretty soon if a small number of those arrive. Of course this is a cut-throat business ("email marketing"/spam), so competitors may submit false spam reports...

3. Therefore, for (2) you'll have to keep some records of the mail sent, i.e. you'll require mail to be send via relay... The review and the mail relay costs something, so you make it a monthly/per mail cost. Voilà, you have Amazon SES.

Currently they probably block individual instances if they get a lot of complaints about one sending a lot of spam. They can't distinguish legitimate mail from spam because it is all SSL encrypted.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by Bnshsysjab »

casedup wrote: post #66

Check your Gmail message and look in the headers. I'm willing to bet you have some fails and softfails there. That's why you're been labeled as spam.

Trust me it’s not, I’ve read theM countless times, google just decided I’m spam, and don’t tell me why. I run a small business and have a business name registered in the same name which cost $500 AUD, I don’t appear to have an option apart from paying AWS or Microsoft to host me.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by PopeDotNinja »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #133
LeonM wrote: post #118

I run an email security/monitoring business [0], and we hear this issue with Gmail a lot, in fact: we have been bitten by it as well during the early days. The problem at hand is that it is really hard to debug situations like this. Google won't tell you why a particular email is blocked, because that information will be immediately exploited by spammers. We build our software suite because we found that mistakes in…

No, it's incorrect to say that running an email server requires just "a bit more work". Google basically no longer allows low volume servers to send mail. I wrote more about this here: https://www.attejuvonen.fi/dont-send-email-from-your-own-ser...

Sounds like there's a niche business and/or OSS project there. Create gmail accounts. Install email send bot on email server. Send messages to Gmail accounts. Figure out how to avoid spam.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by beagle3 »

I had similar problems with Gmail rejecting mail from my perfectly configured domain. I eventually gave up after finding, sometimes months afterwards, that an email was not delivered (and when found within 30 days, it was always in the recipient’s spam folder).

I eventually switched to fastmail (from a reputable, but too tiny for google to care about provider), and all the problems were gone.

But ... I am almost sure the issue was that I had a catchall address cc:ing a Gmail address; not sure why that would trigger spaminess detection, but that’s the best I could reason with my data.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by jdnenej »

Kovah wrote: post #111
irjustin wrote: post #79

I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…

> As a gmail user, I 100% appreciate keeping my inbox extremely clean. Google's spam filter is a welcome addition. Interesting how different things are for different users. Gmails spam protection isn't working at all for me. Confirmation emails from reputable sources get into spam, while really obvious spam messages get into my inbox. I mean.. really, really obvious messages. With "dfdf" a thousand times at the end j…

I wish spam filters would automatically move all marketing/newsletters to spam

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by tomp »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #97
irjustin wrote: post #79

I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…

> Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. Google's spam models freaking suck donkey dick. I use Fastmail but my university uses Google for email. A service we use (Piazza, class Q&A) sends notifications via email. Over the years I have gotten probably about 1k email notifications from them, and replied to a few of them too. Google h…

Your comment prompted me to go through my GMail spam folder. I noticed 4 emails (out of 100) that weren't spam, including one from Blue Origin (!), 2 from a mailing list that's usually delivered to my Inbox, and 1 from an online shop (confirming my purchase).

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by Avamander »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #133
LeonM wrote: post #118

I run an email security/monitoring business [0], and we hear this issue with Gmail a lot, in fact: we have been bitten by it as well during the early days. The problem at hand is that it is really hard to debug situations like this. Google won't tell you why a particular email is blocked, because that information will be immediately exploited by spammers. We build our software suite because we found that mistakes in…

No, it's incorrect to say that running an email server requires just "a bit more work". Google basically no longer allows low volume servers to send mail. I wrote more about this here: https://www.attejuvonen.fi/dont-send-email-from-your-own-ser...

My low volume server can send mail very nicely. You can't however do your job half-assed, lack of strong SPF/TLS/DKIM isn't okay from both Google's and anti-spam perspective.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by invalidusernam3 »

odysseus wrote: post #31

This guy has an odd (seemingly nonsensical) quote in his email signature. To a machine learning algorithm, it might look kind of like the random nonsense some spammers put in spam to corrupt Bayesian filters. He might want to try temporarily taking out that signature if he’s using that as part of his emails.

A bit off topic, but I googled the signature and it seems to be quote from this movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125435/

Looks like a pretty interesting movie, but a bit strange for an email signature

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