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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by vbezhenar »

thih9 wrote: post #44
clairity wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but it's not expensive. there are other free email services, or you can pay for decent email hosting for a few bucks a month.

Could you post examples? In my opinion free email services either belong to other big corporations or provide lower quality service than gmail. Few bucks a month add up and can be considered expensive by many. I don’t like google and I pay for a different email account. I just wanted to remind that gmail may be hard to quit and that costs are subjective.

If you're not paranoid about Russia, you might consider Yandex Connect. It supports custom domains and has free tier with ads in the web interface.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by inferiorhuman »

jraph wrote: post #87
djsumdog wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the big providers send DMARC messages. Google doesn't. Microsoft doesn't. The only DMARC messages I've ever gotten were from Yahoo and mail.ru. Google/Microsoft don't send DMARC reports because it would make it easier for spammers to know they had gotten past those filters. It's easier to just drop everything they don't like silently. It's why e-mail is terribly unreliable today (much more reliable if you DO…

I regularily receive dmarc reports from Google (every day) and yahoo for instance. Not sure I've ever received any dmarc report from hotmail though. And email is pretty reliable with Google. It is a disaster with hotmail: you have to send a big number of emails to have a chance that hotmail treats your email as non spam. They put your self hosted emails in the spam folder of your regular contacts, and the fact that t…

I've got Hotmail aggregate reports up through 2017 (sent from microsoft.com though).

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by Bnshsysjab »

Subbing to this, I’m having this exact issue. I’ve got dkim, dmarc, spf, the TLS flay and rdns. No other tested mail server blocks me, just gmail.

I’ve googled and cannot find a legitimate way to determine why I’m marked as spam or how to unmark it. I’m coming from a fresh domain and have no intention of ever spamming.

Googles support, or lack thereof, will hopefully be their downfall.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by vidarh »

cnst wrote: post #2

I'm actually having a similar problem recently, although my messages are declined at the SMTP stage, "due to the very low reputation of the sending domain", which I attribute to the output of certain cron jobs being sent towards my own Gmail account — it seems like my whole primary domain name has subsequently been blacklisted a few weeks ago: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21340460 * https://mailman.nanog.or…

The biggest problem to me with Gmails spam filter is that it is so totally hit and miss, and there seems to be no reliable way of ensuring that messages stop going to spam, even from other Gmail accounts, from people on my contact list, that I've persistently marked not spam.

At this point the only reason I'm still using Gmail is sheer inertia, and it's a question of when I get time to start untangling myself from it.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by vidarh »

jen_h wrote: post #29

Gonna second whoever said: Use DKIM. I actually check Spam daily now, after finding support emails whose logs got snagged in the dragnet & personal stuff — even email from my Dad got shunted to Spam. I still tip the hat, though, to Google, whose algorithms are wise enough to assiduously stow both the “jump on a call” and “donate to my campaign” emails to spam.

The vast majority of messages in my spam folder are not spam on Gmail at the moment. Most of them are from providers I've semi-regularly tried to get it to recognize as not spam for months or years. Of course Gmail also outright rejects a lot of stuff at the SMTP stage, so their filters are better than they look, but the amount of misclassification is extremely frustrating.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by vbezhenar »

z3t4 wrote: post #40

I remember when Gmail was new. You got an e-mail that said "hey, we think you are sending spam, please do this". I replied and said that I always send from this domain, so if they think I'm spamming, just block the domain, then they white-listed it instead. I always see DMARC as a solution in these kind of threads, but the problem is that it's trivial for spammers to also setup DMARC. In fact almost 100% of the spam…

It might be extremely weird but not impossible, if Google algorithms classify properly setup domain as a suspicious one.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by the_pwner224 »

irjustin wrote: post #79

I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…

> Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable.

Google's spam models freaking suck donkey dick. I use Fastmail but my university uses Google for email. A service we use (Piazza, class Q&A) sends notifications via email. Over the years I have gotten probably about 1k email notifications from them, and replied to a few of them too. Google has recently started marking about 5% of their notifications as spam. 95% of the notifications come through; 5% get rejected. There's no discernible logic to this.

There are organizations and people within the university which have me on their mailing lists; with them too 90% of the emails get through but 5% get randomly marked as spam. And they're perfectly normal emails that Google just decides to move to spam. Even with people that I have had email conversations with, it just spams random stuff.

Every couple of months I check my Fastmail spam folder just for the lolz of seeing what's in there. With Google I have to check spam every day or I'll miss important stuff.

There are tons of people who have posted very similar experiences on HN. On this thread I just saw another person comment that Google's own emails go to spam - I've observed this too on my personal Gmail account which I occasionally check.

The spam filters have a tough job, but other companies are succeeding at keeping all the spam out without a gigantic false positive rate. Google's filter is hilariously bad.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by divbyzer0 »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #13
sdan wrote: post #8

Google's making us play by their rules: 1. Our ML models see that your emails spam? You're spam. 2. You're using Tor or a VPN? Here's 10 reCaptcha's. 3. Don't use Google Webmaster or use AMPs? Good luck finding your page on the 1st page. 4. Youtube video includes education hacking tutorials? Demonetized. Obviously some alternatives are moving to Fastmail and using Duck Duck Go, but we need Google to stop this "my way…

"Moving to Fastmail" is such a popular alternative that if they ever get to any kind of reasonable size we'll be in the same position all over again. That should not be the suggestion. Many smaller providers encourages the competition necessary for an open network, not a small number of huge providers.

I have mostly moved to self hosting email. I still have a lot of legacy registrations with various companies that go to gmail, otherwise everything else is self host on a hetzner vps (2.50 eur per month) which doubles as a wireguard vpn.

First time setting up an email server was quite a chore as I have no background in email, getting all of the moving parts to play nice required some patience.

My second email server used Mail-in-a-box scripts which I highly recommend. Zero to functioning email server in a few minutes. The slowest part is DNS propagation. Anyone comfortable setting up a domain name and the basic DNS settings that are invloved will have no problem self hosting email. The setup includes web-based client. I use k-9 mail client on my phone.

I find the catch-all email feature very helpful in creating ad-hoc addresses for spammy companies (eg car insurance). I can sign-up with spammy.companyname@mydomain.com and it will direct to spammy@mydomain.com.

I'm not completely de-googled, but I am consciously and gradually reducing my exposure to google, and other large networks.

At the very least it is worth a try.

https://mailinabox.email

edit:spelling, added url.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by jakub_g »

Wild guess but I'm wondering if the problem isn't domain name. *.eu.org looks like a perfect domain to send phishing campaigns from (i.e. perhaps some other subdomains of it were caught sending spam and his domain got a penalty as a side-effect?)

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by tkel »

thih9 wrote: post #44
clairity wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but it's not expensive. there are other free email services, or you can pay for decent email hosting for a few bucks a month.

Could you post examples? In my opinion free email services either belong to other big corporations or provide lower quality service than gmail. Few bucks a month add up and can be considered expensive by many. I don’t like google and I pay for a different email account. I just wanted to remind that gmail may be hard to quit and that costs are subjective.

https://thatoneprivacysite.net/email-comparison/
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