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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by rstupek »

semiotagonal wrote: post #364
jldugger wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Catalina had been available to the public for testing since like WWDC; unless these were late breaks only found in GM, it's a tough pill to swallow that these urgent bugs couldn't have been addressed before GM shipped.

Maybe, but prior to the "Golden Master" release are you really testing your stuff, or Apple's? Leaving such a small window between Apple getting its act together with the GM, and a hard deadline for third parties to get their act together, is rough.

Yes it would be the responsible thing to do as a developer to test your stuff on the OS before it comes out.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by mrlala »

Side note to this; what's the best way to deploy a custom iphone app these days? We were using a PWA to avoid a fullblown app and all the bullshit with not being able to sideload an app easily like on android.

Is there a simple way to get an app out to 5-10 people on ios?

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by hellofunk »

pjmlp wrote: post #348
hellofunk wrote: post #341

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So do I and I don't pay for it, and I can sign my apps. What's different in your case?

So now developer certificates are available on the free tier?

For at least a few years, they have been. You can set a team and a signing certificate in Xcode with a normal developer account, which does not require any payment. To publish on the App Store, however, requires a paid account.

Sounds like you don't use that dev account much :)

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by burtonator »

Illniyar wrote: post #60

They kind of bury the lead here. They can't have their app on the appstore because: " While we still updated our applications in time, Apple did not review them for the AppStore, and instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!), and later for requiring UI changes, including showing a Save As panel for each generated file. Now this may not sound like much, this is a serious issue for a document scan application whi…

> They kind of bury the lead here.

Not calling you out or trying to be rude but it's:

"bury the lede"

I always thought it was "lead" too until someone corrected me a decade or so ago...

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by burtonator »

mlang23 wrote: post #13

As a user, I am pretty happy about most of the negative points listed in this article. Yes, manual reviews are my firewall against too much scamming. I dont want app providers to notify me about their upcoming company party. It is already fishy enough that some app providers use their own notification system to push ads. And dont get me started on paying for updates! What comes next, paying for firmware updates for d…

You're taking the worse behavior of independent software developers and using those as an excuse to accept the atrocious behavior of Apple and their app store monopoly.

Apple's recent kowtow to China and blocking apps China doesn't like is a great example.

If an app spams you just uninstall it...

If Apple kills an app you love there's nothing you can do...

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by CharlesColeman »

dijit wrote: post #7

Actually; now that I think about it, from a user perspective I also really dislike the App Store. I used to _love_ it, I would check weekly for new things, maybe there was some new shiny (often beautiful) program to do something really well. The experience was on the 'better than passable' side, nobodies favourite interface maybe, but certainly not terrible. But I actually avoid the App Store these days, both on MacO…

> I always suspected there were dark patterns at play in the App Store though.

Here's one I found: you can't install a lot of applications unless you're on the latest-and-greatest OS version. This punishes people who are more conservative with upgrades, and don't want to jump to an OS before it's fully cooked. You'd think they could just offer to let you install the latest compatible version.

I can't install XCode from the App Store because I'm stuck on High Sierra, because my Macbook as a highly disruptive freeze-on-wake bug that manifests on every version of Mojave I've tried. I've never been able to figure it out, and Apple apparently only supports its laptops if they have no software installed on them.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by baud147258 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #382
baud147258 wrote: post #351

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> the largest complaint is that we have our own launcher. That sits above Steam's launcher, so I launch the game via Steam, then Uplays pop up (slowly, then updates), I dig up my contact details from an old post-it, then the game launch! I think it makes sense for Ubisoft to have their launcher, but in the case of games sold through Steam, its mandatory use detract from the game. And on Steam, games that have been pu…

I think the argument is that without the launcher, if the game is pulled then the customer gets no more updates, has no access to DLC, etc.

Well, in that case the user would have to use the launcher. But there's not reason to force it on the user, in addition to Steam.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by sbuk »

pjmlp wrote: post #379
sbuk wrote: post #349

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You're moving the goalposts massively. No one is claiming that the first gen iPhone outsold anything or anyone. More importantly, that data is for 2006, the N95, of which you claim everyone and their dog knew about, didn't become available until march 2007. Your claim that the N95 was massively popular is also wide of the mark. Nokia had around 30 SKU's available to buy at the time, with the N95 being one of the very…

You are the one making those claims as otherwise it weakens the iOS über all assertion. N95 was just one example of the millions of Symbian, J2ME and PocketPC/WindowsCE smartphones being shipped before iOS became reality. Nokia's revenue only collapsed due to the way Elop drove the company to the ground as means to get the bonus on his contract. As the Finn press later discovered.

> You are the one making those claims as otherwise it weakens the iOS über all assertion.

Nonsense.

> N95 was just one example of the millions of Symbian, J2ME and PocketPC/WindowsCE smartphones being shipped before iOS became reality.

And none of them are around now. More to the point, all but a handful could be considered 'smart'. We could debate what smart is, but ultimately it's moot. Pre 2007, 'smart' devices were by and large business oriented, post September 2007, they started to become the norm; first with iOS, closely followed by Android. These facts are incontrovertible.

The point you are trying to make is utterly wrong. The original assertion was that Apple 'invented' the smartphone is equally wrong. However, Apple did play a significant role in defining what a smartphone is, Nokia and Symbian not so much. The proof? Where are they now?

> Nokia's revenue only collapsed due to the way Elop drove the company to the ground as means to get the bonus on his contract. As the Finn press later discovered.

Elop merely dealt the final blow. Nokia's sales declined post 2008 when they peaked with a global share of ~40%. Elop Joined late 2010...

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by sbr464 »

CharlesColeman wrote: post #416
dijit wrote: post #7

Actually; now that I think about it, from a user perspective I also really dislike the App Store. I used to _love_ it, I would check weekly for new things, maybe there was some new shiny (often beautiful) program to do something really well. The experience was on the 'better than passable' side, nobodies favourite interface maybe, but certainly not terrible. But I actually avoid the App Store these days, both on MacO…

> I always suspected there were dark patterns at play in the App Store though. Here's one I found: you can't install a lot of applications unless you're on the latest-and-greatest OS version. This punishes people who are more conservative with upgrades, and don't want to jump to an OS before it's fully cooked. You'd think they could just offer to let you install the latest compatible version. I can't install XCode fr…

What I found crazy, was Xcode disappears from the App Store altogether when searching from High Sierra. It took me several searches to realize that they hid it.
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