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Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by mlurp »

johnmorrison wrote: post #52
claudeganon wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why anyone would listen to anything with a bigot like Crowder is beyond me. If you can’t defend your conservatism without devolving into racist and homophobic slurs, you really shouldn’t be taken seriously.

I find it's useful to listen to those you have strong ethical disagreements with, in order to challenge your own ego and ideas.

I agree with you in general, but there are much better people to do that with than Crowder. He doesn't seem like he's acting in good faith, and more generally, think about stuff very much.

There are plenty of intelligent conservatives/whatever that don't do the stuff he does that's just intended to be offensive/get attention.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by andreaorru »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #148
andxor wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with Jordan Peterson? I think he's vastly misrepresented.

All he has done is repackage some pretty basic self-help advice into a gross right-wing ideology. I don't think this has any value.

I strongly disagree. Have you actually watched his lectures, read his books, and formed your own opinion?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by mikece »

nabla9 wrote: post #48
shusson wrote: post #19

Man Edward wanted to talk. Joe barely talks let alone get a question in for the first 20min.

Many of the best Joe Rogan podcasts are those where he mostly listens. Joe Rogan Experience #1214 - Lawrence Lessig is really good one.

Your point is valid and that was a great episode as well but I think the best episodes are those where he questions and prods the guest to expound far beyond talking points, to give what is essentially a statement of philosophy after which Joe then dissects the points enumerated in that statement of philosophy. What makes Joe's process of doing this so compelling is that he's not doing it with an agenda to change the guest's mind about something but to deeply and truly understand WHAT the person believes, WHY they believe it, HOW that affects and influences their live and decisions and why that person thinks other should agree with them. Another thing that is great about Rogan's guests is that he doesn't limit the guest list to people who agree with him. If Adolf Hitler were alive today (and spoke English) Joe would not only interview him but get him to not only enumerate all of his beliefs but then explain why he hold those beliefs to be true. This process of explication is IMPOSSIBLE in the mainstream media and allows the listener to get to raw, fundamental truths at the base layer. It's a shame that not all Americans (and non-Americans too) have the intellectual curiosity and patience to REALLY LISTEN to and understand why people of different political, religious, and ideological beliefs hold the positions they do and then amicably coexist with them in respectful disagreement.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by ambicapter »

0x445442 wrote: post #150
duxup wrote: post #111

We live in a time where the president of the United States himself questions any law that inconveniences him personally, same goes for any oversight, and he retains a great deal of support from the population and his own party. I wonder how / if it is possible to convince the public that laws and oversight are necessary for good government.

We also live in a time when the CIA and FBI has been trying to remove a duly elected POTUS for the past three years. Why? because they think they know better than the unwashed masses.

[Citation needed]

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by extra__tofu »

MrGLaDOS wrote: post #126
yodsanklai wrote: post #102

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I really like Joe Rogan, and the format of its podcast. I don't know other medias where they let people speak for three hours. I was suspicious the first time I listened to him. I thought, can this beefy archetypical MMA dude say anything interesting? actually he can. He's at ease with all types of guests, he just seems to be an outspoken, honest guy. I agree that he tends to bring up his favorite topics all the time…

I am sure there are many others, but these three shows feature long-form interviews which feature interesting guests: The Ezra Klein Show - Ezra Klein Making sense podcast - Sam Harris 80000 hours podcast - Rob Wiblin [1] https://www.vox.com/ezra-klein-show-podcast [2] https://samharris.org/podcast/ [3] https://80000hours.org/podcast/

In the same vein as those: Conversations with Tyler and Sean Carroll's Mindscape.

https://medium.com/conversations-with-tyler

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by raxxorrax »

duxup wrote: post #111

We live in a time where the president of the United States himself questions any law that inconveniences him personally, same goes for any oversight, and he retains a great deal of support from the population and his own party. I wonder how / if it is possible to convince the public that laws and oversight are necessary for good government.

I do think ignoring the rules is part of his success. If you add the ridiculous stories about Russia, which was one of the worse conspiracy theories, but was mainly driven by the intelligence community, the current political situation isn't a surprise at all.

The spying was equally supported by the Democrats as well as Republicans. They further try to restrict freedom on the net by their newest attempt with the CASE law. It is one of the most consistent pattern of established parties.

Trump didn't win because it would be helpful for his base. It is to evict people that failed to bring forth sensible policies.

It is reactionary, but perfectly understandable. If everyone ignores the rules, we will do that too.

I am no American, but that is what it looks like.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by cevn »

ambicapter wrote: post #164
0x445442 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also live in a time when the CIA and FBI has been trying to remove a duly elected POTUS for the past three years. Why? because they think they know better than the unwashed masses.

[Citation needed]

[There won't be any because he's full of shit]

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by darepublic »

hos234 wrote: post #144
roenxi wrote: post #70

There is a real lesson here about just how cavalier the American government - and to some degree the public - is about civil liberties, but that isn't the biggest problem. The problem here isn't even so much the government is being shady - that has happened before, it will happen again. I can understand people not feeling threatened by constant snooping even though I disagree. To me the real problem is how effectivel…

There is a big difference between Observation (which is what Snowden is doing) and Analysis (followed by Solutions). It's not healthy to confuse the two. Snowden is pointing out an issue. And he has done it with courage that I massively respect. You hardly see it these days. And that makes it anxiety and fear inducing, as the solutions are unknown. But think of it this way - tomorrow someone might hand you a diagnosi…

The cancer metaphor is apt because noone knows how to cure it completely
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