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Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by azangru »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #17
andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

Interviewing Nick Bostrom was cringe worthy. I don't know what Joe was trying to achieve - maybe forming an argument against the simulation theory? But it was so bad. The youtube comment section is amusing. But mostly Joe gets it spot on and does a great interview. What this does to popular discourse? When a small % of the population watch these types of long form interview and get deep, thoughtful and insightful ans…

> How does society fix this huge knowledge divide?

- Why should it?

- Isnt the divide inevitable anyway (X knows about Shakespeare, Y knows about quantum theory, Z knows how to grow corn...)

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by Wh1zz »

cooperadymas wrote: post #20
monk_e_boy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interviewing Nick Bostrom was cringe worthy. I don't know what Joe was trying to achieve - maybe forming an argument against the simulation theory? But it was so bad. The youtube comment section is amusing. But mostly Joe gets it spot on and does a great interview. What this does to popular discourse? When a small % of the population watch these types of long form interview and get deep, thoughtful and insightful ans…

This operates under the assumption that your thing is good while the other is bad. I think the people in the other group would see it differently. I also imagine on some other forum out there someone is lamenting the popularity of the Joe Rogan Experience while the media of their liking gets even less exposure, and wondering how they fix that knowledge divide in society.

The fact that the people in the other group see it differently doesn't mean they're right though. It doesn't mean either group is right, but at the end of the day one can still take a step back and evaluate the two sources/modes of informing oneself and decide that one is good and the other is bad - with respect to what we agree it's good to optimize for (forming more accurate mental models, being well informed in general and not being deceived either by others or self, etc).

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by me_me_me »

anonu wrote: post #14
andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

Joe is a master interviewer for the reasons you mention. I'd also add he has broad interests in almost any topic and subject matter, which helps. Another technique he employs is "listening". There are many times when I want to butt in when listening to his podcasts. But Joe just waits and let's the other person speak and soaks it in. There are of course the interviews which are actually him being interviewed (he does…

I started listening to his stuff few months back. And I must say I learnt a lot about listening and having good conversations.

He mentioned this actually few times and its interesting that he learnt to be patient and non-combative no non-issues.

Half of the time i pay attention to how he runs the podcast instead of actual conversations.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by ekianjo »

andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

> talking-head punditry available on the major news networks

That's also because most news networks don't have the luxury (or the willingness) to do 2 hours interviews with a single person in the first place. They need to make things short so they can drown you with ads at every break.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by mywacaday »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #17
andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

Interviewing Nick Bostrom was cringe worthy. I don't know what Joe was trying to achieve - maybe forming an argument against the simulation theory? But it was so bad. The youtube comment section is amusing. But mostly Joe gets it spot on and does a great interview. What this does to popular discourse? When a small % of the population watch these types of long form interview and get deep, thoughtful and insightful ans…

Its not just the lack of long form interviews, its the lack of long form in general. News is too short to be meaningful. I just checked the word count in the top 10 stories on BBC news.

Average number of words per article was 764.

While you can get long form fewer and fewer people read it, myself included. If a major player like the BBC resort to news in an average of 764 words the majority of people are not getting deep/insightful/challenging news or information.

In my 20s I used to read long form broadsheet articles on a Sunday, I don't seem to have the attention for it any more. Even articles from hacker news that are too long I just go straight to the comments to get a digest. I suspect my mobile phone addiction is to blame, even last week I signed up for blinkist after I tried to read Ray Dalios Principles for the third time and didn't have the attention for it when I saw an ad for the summary on blinkist and just signed up.

Not sure what point I'm trying to make but I just believe super shortform, dopamine induced hit of information may be detrimental to me/society in the long run.

*edited as table of data not displaying correctly

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by Wh1zz »

azangru wrote: post #31
monk_e_boy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interviewing Nick Bostrom was cringe worthy. I don't know what Joe was trying to achieve - maybe forming an argument against the simulation theory? But it was so bad. The youtube comment section is amusing. But mostly Joe gets it spot on and does a great interview. What this does to popular discourse? When a small % of the population watch these types of long form interview and get deep, thoughtful and insightful ans…

> How does society fix this huge knowledge divide? - Why should it? - Isnt the divide inevitable anyway (X knows about Shakespeare, Y knows about quantum theory, Z knows how to grow corn...)

To some degree, yes, but a lot knowledge can be accurately summarised, and is also both useful in general and even necessary for the good functioning & growth of society. It's not even really about knowledge, it's more about ability - to think critically, to exercise empathy, etc.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by me_me_me »

cm2187 wrote: post #21
buboard wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason he can be "more independent" is exactly because he's not dependent financially on media, not his MMA bg.

But he is financially dependent on youtube, isn't he? I am not suggesting he auto-censors himself but he is not "independent".

He is a world famous standup comedian. He does MMA coverage and podcasting as side gig for fun. I doubt that his life depends on the podcast.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by claudeganon »

johnmorrison wrote: post #27
andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

You should see JRE#917, Steven doesn't really care about the whole marijuana issue and Joe completely bullies and flames him for like thirty minutes. That one was not well-reasoned or patient, but other than that, I've found almost all of Joe's podcasts to be very good. He's definitely one of the greatest interviewers on the planet right now.

Why anyone would listen to anything with a bigot like Crowder is beyond me. If you can’t defend your conservatism without devolving into racist and homophobic slurs, you really shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by buboard »

HNLurker2 wrote: post #7

What is democracy?

supposedly the power is with "the many" and not concentrated. The current standard is that "the many" is not really everyone but at best half of them. That's something. Under different mechanisms, e.g. if offices are appointed by lot, then power can truly be "with almost everyone"

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by 0xADADA »

ekianjo wrote: post #34
andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

> talking-head punditry available on the major news networks That's also because most news networks don't have the luxury (or the willingness) to do 2 hours interviews with a single person in the first place. They need to make things short so they can drown you with ads at every break.

nailed it
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