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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by andxor » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:38 PM UTC

cyborgx7 wrote: post #92

_zamorano_ wrote: post #3

It's not strange many interesting people want to visit Joe Rogan podcast. First, he is willing to give a voice to many who won't be able to tell their stories on mass media. Who other will let speak people like James Damore? What major broadcaster is willing to interview Jordan Peterson without protraiting him as a villain? He respects his guest, when in disagrement. His interview to Jack Dorsey (not much of his liki…

I question the value of letting people like James Damore and Jordan Peterson speak on such a big platform. Edit: The people downvoting me are hypocrites. The function of downvoting to make something less visible. Are you saying what I say has less value and should therefore have a lesser platform? But to be serious, everyone acknowledges that what some people say is of more value than what other people say, and shoul…

What's wrong with Jordan Peterson? I think he's vastly misrepresented.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by KnMn » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:38 PM UTC

heyflyguy wrote: post #25

This is the first time, and maybe it's just because of the length of the interview; that I've noticed Snowden's being slightly untethered from sensibility. The first 10 minutes in particular was a little worrisome. I imagine that being stuck in Russia, with the pressure he's under has contributed to this. I do wonder how much of this personality bubble was in place when he made the decisions he did. Nevertheless, I d…

I'm pretty sure he said he was now a professional speaker and then he meandered in monotone for 20 straight minutes, seemingly oblivious. I couldn't help but cringe a little.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by Timpy » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:39 PM UTC

KnMn wrote: post #131

Timpy wrote: post #96

Snowden is really clever with these interviews. Right away in the interview he establishes his concerns about the government, then briefly mentions the government smear campaign against him without hanging on the point too much. He calmly explains himself in an articulate way, establishing himself as perfectly sane. Then he reaches out to connect and empathize with his interviewer: > When I hear you just speak, I go…

Oh, man. I completely disagree. I feel like he just talks and talks about whatever he wants to talk about with almost no regard for whether his technical language is being understood or if he's dominating the discussion or anything like that. I don't think I've seen him develop a natural rapport with anyone or even make a firm, memorable point in an interview. I'll always be grateful for his leaks but over 2.5 hours…

That's a fair point. Maybe the technical language isn't very friendly to a wide audience, that hadn't occurred to me. I'm trying to keep a wide perspective, but I might just be fanboying.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by hos234 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:39 PM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #70

There is a real lesson here about just how cavalier the American government - and to some degree the public - is about civil liberties, but that isn't the biggest problem. The problem here isn't even so much the government is being shady - that has happened before, it will happen again. I can understand people not feeling threatened by constant snooping even though I disagree. To me the real problem is how effectivel…

There is a big difference between Observation (which is what Snowden is doing) and Analysis (followed by Solutions). It's not healthy to confuse the two.

Snowden is pointing out an issue. And he has done it with courage that I massively respect. You hardly see it these days. And that makes it anxiety and fear inducing, as the solutions are unknown.

But think of it this way - tomorrow someone might hand you a diagnosis of cancer. You can freak out about it or you can find a Cancer specialist to see what options are available. Asking the technician who gave you the report what the odds are, doesn't make any sense. He knows only how to create the report.

In this case just look to history, to understand how these things play out. History is the Oncologist.

Intelligence agencies have hard problems to deal with. On top of it, they are giant bureaucracies which means cockups, incompetence, turf wars, hiding issues are the norm. All that amplifies the problems, causes defensiveness, over-reactions and reactions to reactions.

If you read the history (and these days there are tons of resources) this sequence of events (of overreach) has unfolded a thousand times. There are a whole bunch programmes that have been shutdown because one group or the other got carried away or did damage. That history (in out current environment of over information/disinformation/misinformation) is what will always be a source of hope and faith.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by LMYahooTFY » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:40 PM UTC

sagichmal wrote: post #78

johnmorrison wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it's useful to listen to those you have strong ethical disagreements with, in order to challenge your own ego and ideas.

> I find it's useful to listen to those you have strong ethical disagreements with, in order to challenge your own ego and ideas. This is possible only if those people you disagree with don't have power over you, and acceptable only if the disagreement isn't rooted in a denial of your essential humanity. Both of these conditions are privileges that not everyone enjoys.

> This is possible only if those people you disagree with don't have power over you

This certainly must be false, or parenting wouldn't work.

I've taken many, maybe even most lessons and ego checks from people more powerful than me.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by jessaustin » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:43 PM UTC

patentatt wrote: post #129

jessaustin wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The simplest explanation for lots of confusing events is that the intelligence agencies have enjoyed supremacy over the government for some time already. They run the media as well: just look at the glowing plaudits for their fake "whistleblower" as contrasted with the ongoing disdain for actual whistleblowers.

“Fake” whistleblower? This is a hop and a skip away from Q-anon territory, and shouldn’t be on hn.

Real whistleblowers: Snowden, Kiriakou, Binney, Drake, Manning, Winner. Notice a theme of career loss, prison, total life upheaval, and a press that DGAF.

Fake whistleblower: still works for CIA, whistleblowing has purely political rather than administrative effects, and ongoing adulation in the press.

If you don't want to see this on HN, then downvote and move on.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by vfc1 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:43 PM UTC

swebs wrote: post #132

vfc1 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful, because his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims. He is also into things like…

>I think in a bit of a hypocritical way as I'm pretty sure he doesn't really believe in any of that stuff and just talks about it for the clicks. Or maybe he just finds it interesting? I find myself on paranormal sites from time to time even though I know it's 100% (or at least 99.9%) bullshit. It's still fun to read.

There are a couple of huge differences. You don't have financially anything to gain by that, and you are not influencing the opinions of a huge number of people in the process.

There is already so much scientific ignorance in the general public, there is so much misrepresentation of science already.

A ton of people actually believe thinks like the Earth is flat, Joe many times gives a voice to that type of quacks for clicks.

His podcast many times acts as a vehicle for spreading ignorance, other than that yes its entertaining and people should know better. But often they don't and that's the problem.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by cyborgx7 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:44 PM UTC

andxor wrote: post #141

cyborgx7 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I question the value of letting people like James Damore and Jordan Peterson speak on such a big platform. Edit: The people downvoting me are hypocrites. The function of downvoting to make something less visible. Are you saying what I say has less value and should therefore have a lesser platform? But to be serious, everyone acknowledges that what some people say is of more value than what other people say, and shoul…

What's wrong with Jordan Peterson? I think he's vastly misrepresented.

All he has done is repackage some pretty basic self-help advice into a gross right-wing ideology. I don't think this has any value.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by dominotw » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:45 PM UTC

lawn wrote: post #68

senorjazz wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, Then you cannot listen to many. Joe speaks so much bollox with an authoritative air that if you didn't know the subject you would think that Joe did, when many many times he clearly does not. I agree they are interesting when he lets the guest speak (even if completely disagree with them) or it is on something Joe does know about / has researched. But that is f…

He even does this in an area he should be knowledgeable in: MMA. For example how he went on how you should destroy yourself in training, and always go 110%, while his guest (I can't remember who, maybe Firaz Zahabi the coach of GSP) said the exact opposite.

> how he went on how you should destroy yourself in training, and always go 110%

I've been listening to him forever and watch MMA every single weekend. I have hard time imagining him saying this. Infact, one of his MMA pet peeves is over training.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by 0x445442 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:45 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #111

We live in a time where the president of the United States himself questions any law that inconveniences him personally, same goes for any oversight, and he retains a great deal of support from the population and his own party. I wonder how / if it is possible to convince the public that laws and oversight are necessary for good government.

We also live in a time when the CIA and FBI has been trying to remove a duly elected POTUS for the past three years. Why? because they think they know better than the unwashed masses.