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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by KnMn »

Timpy wrote: post #96

Snowden is really clever with these interviews. Right away in the interview he establishes his concerns about the government, then briefly mentions the government smear campaign against him without hanging on the point too much. He calmly explains himself in an articulate way, establishing himself as perfectly sane. Then he reaches out to connect and empathize with his interviewer: > When I hear you just speak, I go…

Oh, man. I completely disagree. I feel like he just talks and talks about whatever he wants to talk about with almost no regard for whether his technical language is being understood or if he's dominating the discussion or anything like that. I don't think I've seen him develop a natural rapport with anyone or even make a firm, memorable point in an interview. I'll always be grateful for his leaks but over 2.5 hours he just became a soft background murmur in my room.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by swebs »

vfc1 wrote: post #88
andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

Be careful, because his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims. He is also into things like…

>I think in a bit of a hypocritical way as I'm pretty sure he doesn't really believe in any of that stuff and just talks about it for the clicks.

Or maybe he just finds it interesting? I find myself on paranormal sites from time to time even though I know it's 100% (or at least 99.9%) bullshit. It's still fun to read.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by cco »

agumonkey wrote: post #64

I can't help but feel Snowden comes off as a frustrated naive insider spilling details out of disappointment. Lacking perspective here. Most of his points are basically peter's principle, hierarchy failure, internal competition, all traits that made the response to national threats inappropriate before and after 9/11. I really don't think that his actions were clearly thought out and he won't get a pass any time soon…

I'm not quite clear on your point, are you implying that if Snowden had more perspective on the subject he wouldn't have become a whistleblower?

The second half of your first paragraph suggests otherwise so I'm kinda confused.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by claudiawerner »

claudeganon wrote: post #38
johnmorrison wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should see JRE#917, Steven doesn't really care about the whole marijuana issue and Joe completely bullies and flames him for like thirty minutes. That one was not well-reasoned or patient, but other than that, I've found almost all of Joe's podcasts to be very good. He's definitely one of the greatest interviewers on the planet right now.

Why anyone would listen to anything with a bigot like Crowder is beyond me. If you can’t defend your conservatism without devolving into racist and homophobic slurs, you really shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Not to mention the fact that Crowder's own material tends to show how severely misinformed he is on some of the views he criticizes - in fact in that respect he's become somewhat of a meme in some circles.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by enjoylife »

Timpy wrote: post #96

Snowden is really clever with these interviews. Right away in the interview he establishes his concerns about the government, then briefly mentions the government smear campaign against him without hanging on the point too much. He calmly explains himself in an articulate way, establishing himself as perfectly sane. Then he reaches out to connect and empathize with his interviewer: > When I hear you just speak, I go…

I can imagine the potential advisors/pr folks, having helped shape that type of image. It’s hard to be in the public spotlight and not have PR consultants spamming you.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by lern_too_spel »

kiba wrote: post #115
roenxi wrote: post #70

There is a real lesson here about just how cavalier the American government - and to some degree the public - is about civil liberties, but that isn't the biggest problem. The problem here isn't even so much the government is being shady - that has happened before, it will happen again. I can understand people not feeling threatened by constant snooping even though I disagree. To me the real problem is how effectivel…

Interesting. I would argue that government officials can be reliable, efficient, conscientious, when they are properly incentivized. Instead, there are various pathologies that infect various organs or agencies at various time, often at time seemly mutually exclusive but they coexist nonetheless. The government isn't given the trust needed to regulate or otherwise do its job efficiently. See various civil engineering…

> Relatively nobody cares.

If nobody cared, the only illegal domestic data collection program in the Snowden docs wouldn't have been shut down. It has been.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsas-...

If nobody cared, Google wouldn't have encrypted its cross-datacenter traffic. It has.

https://gmail.googleblog.com/2014/03/staying-at-forefront-of...

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by Miner49er »

dx87 wrote: post #100
Miner49er wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hate - revealed to the world endless amounts of national security data that was not directly relevant to these constitutional encroachments. He worked with journalists in order to avoid this. He gave the government a head's up before the press released anything everytime they released something new. What more do you think he should have done?

If he really wanted to be treated as a whistleblower, he should have only leaked the specific things that he took issue with, not grab anything he could get his hands on and give it out. For example, there's no good reason for him to give documents to China that tell them which Chinese computers NSA has access to [0]. This myth that he responsibly leaked information needs to die. [0] https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-ko…

You're completely misrepresenting this.

He didn't give them any documents, he didn't tell them all the computers, he only _showed_ them a sample of them. They were also only civilian computers.

I think civilians all over the world had a right to know that they were being spied on by the U.S. government. What difference does it make if a person is a U.S. citizen or a Hong Kong citizen? Human rights are human rights.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by jessaustin »

shadowgovt wrote: post #112
jessaustin wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The simplest explanation for lots of confusing events is that the intelligence agencies have enjoyed supremacy over the government for some time already. They run the media as well: just look at the glowing plaudits for their fake "whistleblower" as contrasted with the ongoing disdain for actual whistleblowers.

That's not nearly as simple as the explanation that the public doesn't actually care about whether domestic agencies are spying on everyone. I think most Americans are in the "I have nothing to hide" line of thinking. The media won't carry a story that their numbers tell them doesn't have legs with the audience.

Forget the public, why don't elected officials themselves act more in simple self-interest? Not all of them are bankrolled by the military-industrial complex, yet not a one ever utters a peep about the trillions we spend on evil security-theater bullshit. No, killing lots of people in the Middle East does not make us safer, which anyone on any of the relevant Congressional committees could tell you. Most of them would be happy to spend those trillions on other priorities. None of them, with the partial exception of e.g. Rep. Gabbard, ever say a thing about this.

Why is that?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by keiferski »

duxup wrote: post #111

We live in a time where the president of the United States himself questions any law that inconveniences him personally, same goes for any oversight, and he retains a great deal of support from the population and his own party. I wonder how / if it is possible to convince the public that laws and oversight are necessary for good government.

”When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.”

- Richard Nixon

The attitude is not a new phenomenon at all.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by axaxs »

claudeganon wrote: post #69
np_tedious wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He certainly spouts some "bollox" but I don't think I agree about "authoritative". He tends to show a lot of humility and asks a lot of questions rather than making statements

It really depends. Go listen and to his interview with Adam Connover where he uses him as a foil to spout off a lot of nonsense about trans people and their agency.

I feel like you're picking one thing you feel strongly about and disagree with to discredit the entire show. I don't agree with a lot of what Rogan believes, but I feel this is an unfair characterization of him and his show.
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