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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by walterstucco »

esotericn wrote: post #71

Developers who work on adtech nonsense, GDPR popups, etc, should take a hard look in the mirror. Yeah, you might make a bit of money, and yeah, maybe your colleagues, in your sick system, give you a bit of respect. One day, I think you're going to wake up and realise that you wasted your talents. Like a war veteran who thought what they were doing was right, that the ends justified the means, until suddenly one day i…

> Adtech helps pay creators, it is not entirely a bad thing either.

that's called "working in advertising".

it's not creation, it's a job.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by pmlnr »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #93

Normal people finally got on the internet and the average person can’t create shit. All they can do is bitch and moan, be horrible to others, and be surveilled and controlled. And that’s what we got. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

There's a musician called Kebu, who's work has high similarities to Jean-Michel Jarre's. Question: if Kebu was born the time Jarre was born, wih the same influences, and the same opportunities, could he have created his music without the set path of Jarre? (This is not in any way attacking his work, it's merely a theoretical question).

Visionaries are extremely rare. Most of us follow and copy existing work. All that said, I think your words are a bit too harsh. Average person are not that bad at creating, they are bad at willing to create, they tend to lack the drive to do so.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by pmlnr »

silveroriole wrote: post #131

I like to fantasise about invite-only internet ‘shards’ off the main internet. Each shard would have a maximum capacity, and that capacity would be small enough that someone could create an index of every page in the shard. You could only be a member of one shard at a time. Shards wouldn’t be topic-based, they’re just deliberately small communities. Like the “mosaic of subculture” and “community of 7000” in A Pattern…

There's already a system for it: https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by raxxorrax »

aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

As long as it is regulated and sanitized and can be surveilled. Especially the latter is an undeniable fact in my opinion. Although that battle seems to shift to government just not being able to do that as easily, the ambitions were clear as day.

There is still an unlimited amount of content, but the rules have changed significantly. And mostly not in favor of users.

The article offers bad examples, but monetary interests and copyright changed the nature of most content.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by pmlnr »

_8j50 wrote: post #28
buboard wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> offers much more opportunities to create and collaborate than any other time in the past. We had skype, games, ICQ, MSN, blogs, blog aggregators, rss readers, galleries, audiogalaxy, guestbooks, forums, hotline communications, IRC, video chats, joomla, wikis etc etc in the year 2003. Not much has been added. Video is perhaps the only thing that we didnt have. A big deal but it s not everything. The main change was…

You have to realize your experience is not everyone's experience. And nostalgia is a lie. > We had skype, games, ICQ, MSN, blogs, blog aggregators, rss readers, galleries, audiogalaxy, guestbooks, forums, hotline communications, IRC, video chats, joomla, wikis Signal,whatsapp,ipfs,discord,slack,github,confluence,twitter,twitch,stackoverflow and so much more from a "techie" perspective. But have you considerer how muc…

21 years ago, in 1998, there was a software called Microsoft FrontPage 98. You started it, visually made a website with elements shared over all pages, and pressed a button to publish a static page.

There's nothing like this today that is simple, financially accessible, and works out of the box. (With maybe the exception of Mobirise, but it has too much free-to-play vibe.)

A little while ago there was an entry here: "Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21242857 and reminded me of Swishmax ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWiSH_Max ), a tool I used around 2003. It was a breeze to use, to create animations. I'm unaware of anything like this today.

In 2005, DC communities shared any content and had vibrant chat communities. Blog didn't immediately meant WordPress, but Pingbacks and RSS worked across them, so websites were able to talk to other websites.

In 2008, Skype worked. File sharing over Skype worked, because it was able to use the local network and went p2p over LAN. Video and sound always worked.

We're nearly in 2020 now, and video conferencing still sucks.

Nostalgia is only a lie of you don't have proof. I still have the installer for most of these programs.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

afarviral wrote: post #126
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advanced Search

Out of curiosity how would create an advanced search string for this?

Sorry, got distracted earlier.

What I mean was: it’d be good if there were more options via, say, drop down menus, or whatever.

I vaguely recall this being a thing in some distant past?

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by onion2k »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #93

Normal people finally got on the internet and the average person can’t create shit. All they can do is bitch and moan, be horrible to others, and be surveilled and controlled. And that’s what we got. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

the average person can’t create shit

I think you're confusing not being able to create things with not being able to compete with people who are truly good at what they do.

Everyone can create stuff, it's just that most people aren't very good at it because they've not yet mastered what they're doing. The thing is though, that doesn't matter. If they enjoy the creative process then that's more than enough.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by barrkel »

aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

The Internet makes it too easy to scale up a business and become a monopolist.

The US has a regulatory culture of permitting monopolies as long as they are lawfully gained. I don't think this is right. I also think a sequence of monopolies, each living 5 or 10 years, before being overtaken, is also wrong; just because a monopoly is eventually overtaken doesn't mean consumers must tolerate monopolies at their height.

"Being the change" means limiting maximum size and forcing competition through regulation. That's political. I don't think there's any choice at this point if we want to preserve democracy.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by nathell »

eitland wrote: post #99
aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

> Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. I now have my own stupid blog again[0] trying to add some good old fun and weirdness to the web along with some hopefully useful or thought-provoking posts in between. I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their b…

I've recently recreated my personal site and blogs[0] using a custom-tailored static site generator[1]. It felt good, like in the era of the Internet of creation.

[0]: http://danieljanus.pl [1]: https://github.com/nathell/nhp

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by mcv »

The Internet of creation is still out there. There are plenty of places on the internet where people make cool stuff. Even YouTube is still a hotbed of creation, despite the platform growing more hostile to it.

It's just that next to the internet of creation, there's also a big corporate internet now, and it's pulling in a lot of people and trying to stake claims in parts of the internet of creation. But creation is still thriving.

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