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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by clarkmoody »

gonehome wrote: post #51
stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

My default for those kinds of queries now is “ reddit”. Google results are generally poor otherwise. I’m not sure if this is because their algorithms are gamed or if it’s just because the internet outside of the main website hubs is just generally low quality (most high quality content has moved to hubs like reddit).

I've found that highly-developed wikis on certain subreddits feel more genuine and trustworthy than anything else out there.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by lotsofpulp »

dceddia wrote: post #74
lotsofpulp wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think most people do, because if they did, Reddit would also be gamed.

Not saying it is, but, how would you know it isn't? I imagine that either "they" (the advertisers/companies) have either already figured this out and are learning how to leave grassroots-looking comments, or they will pretty soon.

I don’t know for sure, and I bet some of it is gamed (all the popular AMA type and celebrity worship or marketing crap sure is), but I think I’ve been able to glean some real comments in the niche sections, based on the history of people giving recommendations or multiple threads over the years with similar conclusions.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

Normal people finally got on the internet and the average person can’t create shit. All they can do is bitch and moan, be horrible to others, and be surveilled and controlled. And that’s what we got.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by pacala »

aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

Indie movies are a small niche. The creation you talk about is in the same ballpark: it exists, but mostly negligible.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by jmccorm »

shpx wrote: post #72
MiroF wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i guess i was naive in thinking i was the only one!

It's just a matter of time until the "marketers" catch on. Maybe they already know and just haven't found a way to prove the business case because there's no easy way to measure how much some locked Reddit thread from a few years ago influences buying decisions. I'm curious to see what kind of innuendo they invent for "astroturfing Reddit reviews".

I believe we're already past that point. Search for the term "reputation management". Some companies ARE willing to pay money to rebut a negative viewpoint with a human voice, and Reddit is by no means immune to this.

I don't think the question should be "if" it is happening, but how far some companies go (behind-the-scenes) to use human voices not only defend but advance their position.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by chrisweekly »

user5284 wrote: post #68
gerbilly wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, I'm an end user who refuses to pay for software. Why should I when all the tools I need are online for free?

Hi, I'm a Alexa paying end user and I'm surveilled anyway. I've paid for my smatrtv and I'm being aurveilled. I've paid for cable and they told me there where be less ass and more quality shows. Well I'm maybe wrong but people not paying are looking smarter than me

"ass" -> ads, right?

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by chrisdhoover »

jmccorm wrote: post #95
shpx wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a matter of time until the "marketers" catch on. Maybe they already know and just haven't found a way to prove the business case because there's no easy way to measure how much some locked Reddit thread from a few years ago influences buying decisions. I'm curious to see what kind of innuendo they invent for "astroturfing Reddit reviews".

I believe we're already past that point. Search for the term "reputation management". Some companies ARE willing to pay money to rebut a negative viewpoint with a human voice, and Reddit is by no means immune to this. I don't think the question should be "if" it is happening, but how far some companies go (behind-the-scenes) to use human voices not only defend but advance their position.

On reddit today someone asked how much karma is worth or something to that effect. It could be worth a great deal to a marketer. Someone with an early sign up date and lots of karma could easily sell them selves to a marketer.

I sense reddit is full of sock puppets and sell outs. How can it not be?

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by t34543 »

gonehome wrote: post #51
stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

My default for those kinds of queries now is “ reddit”. Google results are generally poor otherwise. I’m not sure if this is because their algorithms are gamed or if it’s just because the internet outside of the main website hubs is just generally low quality (most high quality content has moved to hubs like reddit).

I also search for sucks as part of my due diligence.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by eitland »

aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

> Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see.

I now have my own stupid blog again[0] trying to add some good old fun and weirdness to the web along with some hopefully useful or thought-provoking posts in between.

I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their blogs, web sites etc.

Back when Google+ arrived we did that and I followed a number of interesting people from HN based on that I think.

Maybe it could help us rebuild a mini web of interesting blogs, websites etc.

Me, I'd be particularly interested in linking to pages related to electronics, programming, outdoors (but not slick "travel" blogs) etc. A little politics OK, but not much.

[0]: link in profile should anyone be interested.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by Frost1x »

codesushi42 wrote: post #58

The title says it all. The Internet used to be about building and sharing things. Then it turned into a giant and mindless message feed where everyone exposes everything about their private lives, intentionally or not. Now all of the hot new opportunities that exist are to spy on and exploit that data. The latest AI hype is a consequence of the pervasiveness of "big data". I miss building and sharing cool things inst…

Part of that was a higher barrier to entry to push content online. It wasn't hard per se but it wasn't easy.

Now, my 5 year old nephew can do it. Before, it took dedication and creativity to put something together. It's now more difficult to find needles in the haystack.

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