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Catalan separatists have tooled up with decentralized app for civil disobedience

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Re: Catalan separatists have tooled up with decentralized app for civil disobedience

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Post by oliverx0 »

nomusuari wrote: post #59
pvaldes wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will give you 5 millions of reasons. The lives and patrimony of oppressed non-separatist people living in Cuckoloonia that are exhausted of being harassed day and night by a minority of criminals in power and their army of brainwashed puppets. Last night the separatists burned cars and bikes, really happy to have started finally their exciting new war in the real world. They crave for blood and having marthyrs to s…

The Catalan independence movement is peaceful. Most violence is done by payed spaniards pretending to be catalan separatists. We already know all the spanish dirty tricks.

Peaceful? Are you serious? Burned cars, streets on fire, ongoing brawls for the past 4 days. The separatist movement is anything but peaceful, and it is costing everyone in Spain.

https://www.elmundo.es/cataluna/2019/10/18/5da97e2821efa0790...

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Post by mezod »

t-away-123568 wrote: post #11

I have trouble with first world separatist/independence movements (Quebec, Scotland, Basque, Catalan, etc) where it seems there is little real present day issue other than what seems from the outside to be historical grievance and ego.

Thankfully you have learnt that when something doesn't make sense to you, you should investigate and read further. The fact that 2 of the examples you named are happening in the same country should give you a hint.

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Post by heavyset_go »

Oletros wrote: post #50
WanderPanda wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter? If a locally grouped majority wants to seperate from a bigger structure they should be allowed to, everything else is evil.

The problem with Catalonia is that there is no majority for independence

Support for independence from Britain was very low in the American colonies before the American Revolution.

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Post by andrewnicolalde »

pvaldes wrote: post #45
squiggleblaz wrote: post #44

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It wasn't so long ago that the Catalan language was banned. People who were alive then are still alive today. It's more convenient to buy an umbrella on a sunny day. If they get independence today, they can spend years building up the strength they need to keep out those who would try to destroy their community later on. To describe anything as "historical grievance" that isn't happening right now is naive. It hasn't…

>It wasn't so long ago that the Catalan language was banned Catalan language was never banned

That is completely incorrect.

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Post by Oletros »

enriquto wrote: post #57
Oletros wrote: post #53

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> In that case, we are talking about a first world state that is also an oppressive regime Are you talking about Spain? Because if you're, youre' compeltely wrong

Yes, I am. I have lived more than 30 years under the illegitimate spanish occupation and I know what I'm talking about. Now, being an expat, I still follow the events closely, because a large part of my family is still there.

> under the illegitimate spanish occupation

My God, people can really believe

Re: Catalan separatists have tooled up with decentralized app for civil disobedience

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Post by Oletros »

nomusuari wrote: post #58
Oletros wrote: post #51

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> Catalans did a referendum for independence. No, Catalans didn't did a referendum, Catalan Government did on illegal referendum

It was mostly payed by the catalan population and this is the reason why the Spanish "judges" have to lie so much to jail Catalan politicians for misuse of public funds. Anyway the point is we won by 90% and if we did another legal referendum we would win again and that is why the spaniards will never allow a legal referendum.

If you want to believe that you won anything, well, there is also people that believe Earth is flat

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Post by keiferski »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #69
keiferski wrote: post #64

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> And a world with every town/village/city it's own country will be much worse than the current one. Citation needed.

That is not my position. That is what I assumed the parent's position was.

Sorry, I misread your comment then.

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Post by hellllllllooo »

pvaldes wrote: post #56
hellllllllooo wrote: post #21

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I can think of non-evil reasons to stop secession. If the US South wanted to secede to continue slavery is it evil to prevent that to protect people?

I will give you 5 millions of reasons. The lives and patrimony of oppressed non-separatist people living in Cuckoloonia that are exhausted of being harassed day and night by a minority of criminals in power and their army of brainwashed puppets. Last night the separatists burned cars and bikes, really happy to have started finally their exciting new war in the real world. They crave for blood and having marthyrs to s…

You ignored my point and responded with a rant. I didn't make a comment on Catalonia. I was responding to the poster before me.

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Post by nomusuari »

oliverx0 wrote: post #71
nomusuari wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Catalan independence movement is peaceful. Most violence is done by payed spaniards pretending to be catalan separatists. We already know all the spanish dirty tricks.

Peaceful? Are you serious? Burned cars, streets on fire, ongoing brawls for the past 4 days. The separatist movement is anything but peaceful, and it is costing everyone in Spain. https://www.elmundo.es/cataluna/2019/10/18/5da97e2821efa0790...

Why don't you show the videos of spanish police sent to Catalonia to beat up peaceful catalan protesters? To force a reaction and then accuse them of violence when it really is self defense? We already know all the spanish dirty tricks. It is not different than what China does in Hong Kong. Sending Spanish policemen to Catalonia to beat us... Spain is like Russia or China. It is so bad not even real spanish people want to be spanish.
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