Is this the same for pigs and possible related to African swine flu difficulties?
Most U.S. Dairy Cows Are Descended From Just Two Bulls
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Copying the genes of a single animal hundreds of thousands of times, killing the males at birth, plugging the females to a milking machine, feed them corn and soy which is totally not their natural diet and injecting them with tons of antibiotics, hormones and god knows what else. I'd just like to point out as you seem to be (wilfully?) unaware - there are far more ethical and natural ways of producing cows' milk c…
One thing implies the other, as it's impossible to produce enough dairy for so many people using the methods you mention, that is why most dairy people consume comes from factory farms in the first place. Dairy price would sky-rocket and become a luxury item, and few people would be able to afford it several times a day every day, as its so common today.
European countries don't do any of the things described in GP yet most of us drink cheap milk everyday so something must be off in your analysis
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point was that its actually a very unnatural thing to be doing, and that we only evolved very recently to be able to even do it. Also, there is a whole spectrum to it. You don't have to be 100% medically diagnosed as lactose intolerant, it might cause you ocasional digestive issues without you even know it. Like those unexplained, once a month or once every 3 months diarrheas that many of us take as a fact of lif…
Most animals don't eat cooked meat but just raw meat. If you follow that reasoning is very unnatural for us to cook meat, we should switch to raw meat.
The point was that drinking milk is something humans have only very recently in our evolutionary history have adapted to doing, so we are still adapting and a lot of us can't do it very well at all.
At least, a lot of us do it a lot worst than we realize, and there are a ton of people with recurring mild digestive issues which should not be consuming dairy daily at all, but keep doing do due to the public perception that its a healthy thing to do when in fact it's not.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Copying the genes of a single animal hundreds of thousands of times, killing the males at birth, plugging the females to a milking machine, feed them corn and soy which is totally not their natural diet and injecting them with tons of antibiotics, hormones and god knows what else. I'd just like to point out as you seem to be (wilfully?) unaware - there are far more ethical and natural ways of producing cows' milk c…
One thing implies the other, as it's impossible to produce enough dairy for so many people using the methods you mention, that is why most dairy people consume comes from factory farms in the first place. Dairy price would sky-rocket and become a luxury item, and few people would be able to afford it several times a day every day, as its so common today.
> One thing implies the other, as it's impossible to produce enough dairy for so many people using the methods you mention, that is why most dairy people consume comes from factory farms in the first place.
This is simply not true. What you probably mean is it is not possible to achieve the same results while not caring how it is done (ie. going about our lives).
Throughout the history people relied on dairy way more than today. In some places it was almost life or death as during winter grain and dairy was the only feed available.
Of course, today, you don't want to spend your entire day tending cows and the field.
But don't try to imply that our way of life is the only one possible.
There exists whole industry of keeping cows and producing diary in humane way. It costs more, true, but not nearly as much as to make it impractical.
It is simply our choice -- people choose the cheapest product the cows be damned.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
You make it sound easy, but let's look at the facts. The link you posted, says you need at least 600 mg of calcium per day. 100g of brocolli has 47mg. So, you would need to eat 1.3kg of brocolli EVERY single day. Who does that?
You don't have to that at all, of course. First of all, nobody really knows how much calcium you really need per day, all those estimates are ballpark estimates at best. The estimates of 1000mg or more have been pushed for decades by the dairy industry. You can get calcium from greens like kale etc. eat a bit of brocolli, eat pulses like beans and lentils, use tahini as a sauce, drink fortified plant-milk. Just eat a…
“ drink fortified plant-milk”
“ You can get all the nutrients that you need, calcium included from a plant-based diet. The only thing you need to supplement is B12”
Plant based milk is fortified with calcium carbonate. You just told us to take a calcium supplement added to a liquid.
That’s admitting it’s not possible to get enough calcium from plants.
With that logic there’s a lot of food we don’t need.. everyone just needs a multivitamin.
Re: Most U.S. Dairy Cows Are Descended From Just Two Bulls
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point was that its actually a very unnatural thing to be doing, and that we only evolved very recently to be able to even do it. Also, there is a whole spectrum to it. You don't have to be 100% medically diagnosed as lactose intolerant, it might cause you ocasional digestive issues without you even know it. Like those unexplained, once a month or once every 3 months diarrheas that many of us take as a fact of lif…
We evolved to do it recently, but lactose tolerance genes have been heavily selected for by evolution. It's one of the most heavily selected-for traits in the past ten thousand years.
Still the majority of the world population is lactose intolerant and should not be consuming dairy at all.
The ones that can digest it, do it usually less well than they think they do. Mild chronic diarrhea is prevalent is western countries, and a degree of dairy intolerance could very well be one of the factors.
It gets worse for most people with age, as elderly people can become lactose intolerant, fully or only slightly. This does not happen overnight, its a progressive thing, many people gradually stop being able to properly digest dairy.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
You make it sound easy, but let's look at the facts. The link you posted, says you need at least 600 mg of calcium per day. 100g of brocolli has 47mg. So, you would need to eat 1.3kg of brocolli EVERY single day. Who does that?
You don't have to that at all, of course. First of all, nobody really knows how much calcium you really need per day, all those estimates are ballpark estimates at best. The estimates of 1000mg or more have been pushed for decades by the dairy industry. You can get calcium from greens like kale etc. eat a bit of brocolli, eat pulses like beans and lentils, use tahini as a sauce, drink fortified plant-milk. Just eat a…
> Just eat a well-balanced plant-based diet and you will be absolutely fine.
Well that settles it then. Now all we need is to get everyone to do this.
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#138This is large scale Matrix-like exploitation at its finest like only humans can do. Copying the genes of a single animal hundreds of thousands of times, killing the males at birth, plugging the females to a milking machine, feed them corn and soy which is totally not their natural diet and injecting them with tons of antibiotics, hormones and god knows what else. I wonder what could possibly go wrong? All completely…
> feed them corn and soy which is totally not their natural diet What's a "natural diet"? I always assumed that animals (including us) ate what they could get, and their diets were perpetually evolving along with their environment.
Grass would make up the bulk of their diet. Note that corn is a grass.
Dairy cows have a diet that is strictly designed by a nutritionist. When cows are fed corn, it isn't just the corn seed, it is the entire plant. Dairy cows get the more expensive premium feed, and soy is not a large part of that.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't have to that at all, of course. First of all, nobody really knows how much calcium you really need per day, all those estimates are ballpark estimates at best. The estimates of 1000mg or more have been pushed for decades by the dairy industry. You can get calcium from greens like kale etc. eat a bit of brocolli, eat pulses like beans and lentils, use tahini as a sauce, drink fortified plant-milk. Just eat a…
> Just eat a well-balanced plant-based diet and you will be absolutely fine. Well that settles it then. Now all we need is to get everyone to do this.
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#140All US Dairy Cows are descended from the original two cows, and all humans from the first humans, and on, and on. It is interesting how selective breeding has played a part in several industries though. This example sounds a little appalling to my mind, but I'm a fan of horse racing and all thoroughbreds have to trace their lineage to one of three horses or they're not considered thoroughbred and I'm fine with that.…
>What is it that makes some examples unnerving, and some acceptable?
Some combination of the status quo and ideology.