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Post by tomclive »

kuu wrote: post #95
vfc1 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For babies, not for adults. Adult animals in most species can't even drink milk, they can't digest it anymore past infancy. Biologically this means that the infant would release the mother so that they could have another child, so there is biological adaption on most species to not drink milk past a certain age. And we have it too via lactose intolerance, which is normal. However, some relatively small percentage of…

> Adult animals in most species can't even drink milk, they can't digest it anymore past infancy. But we're not animals. Animals cannot drive cars (not even the babies!) and we do. We're different than animals in some aspects. Some of us are able to digest milk

Yes, we are animals. We are pretty unique within the animal kingdom but we are still animals.

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Post by edotrajan »

Jallikattu protest on 2017 relating to bull breeding in Tamilnadu, India.

Selected Excerpt from Wikipedia Below

Jallikattu is cited as one of the last available ways to promote and preserve the native livestock because the other uses of native breeds such as ploughing, breeding via mating and milk is on decline due to advancement in mechanization by tractors, improvement in artificial insemination and hybrid Jersey cows respectively. Karthikeyan Siva Senaapathy, a native breed activist, has said in an interview with the BBC that "[Tamil Nadu] had over one million Kangayam bulls in 1990. The population has fallen to 15,000 now." Minor protests were initiated by cattle rights activists and farmers such as Karthikeya Sivasenapathy who has appeared multiple times on the STAR Vijay talk show Neeya Naana. Music videos, such as "Takkaru Takkaru" by Hiphop Tamizha, and on Facebook videos to talk about jallikattu and its benefits inspired the protestors. Sivasenapathy has claimed that the indigenous cattle bulls are critically endangered in Tamil Nadu and banning jallikattu will have the adverse effect of wiping them out completely. According to Sivasenapthy and other pro-jallikattu activists, jallikattu is not just a sport that is deeply entrenched in Tamil culture, but it has also inadvertently served as a scientific method of breeding cattle.[clarification needed] This view is held among a majority of jallikattu supporters. The protest is aimed at revival of the native humped bull, called the zebu. The Tamil Nadu breed of zebu is unique to India and has several advantages compared to European varieties of cattle such as the Holstein cow. The native breeds are rich in the A2 variety of beta casein protein which aides easy digestion whereas milk from European Bos taurus contain the A1 variant of the beta casein protein which is related to allergies and some serious health conditions.The Holstein breeds found their way into India as a result of Operation Flood of late 1960's through cross breeding to increase the low milk yield of native breeds. As the Jersey cow can yield nine times the quantity of milk as a zebu in the same period, there is concern among protesters that without jallikattu providing an economic incentive for the breeding of zebu, the breed will become endangered and eventually extinct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_pro-jallikattu_protests

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Post by randomdata »

tapland wrote: post #73
rapnie wrote: post #71

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> feed them corn and soy which is totally not their natural diet Yesterday I saw a documentary (Zembla) about the veal industry in The Netherlands (largest in EU, which exists mostly for export, also to US and China). Terrible conditions for the calves, but what most surprised me is that the farmers only feed them with milk! This way their meat will have the light color associated with 'fresh, young' veal. From the 1…

Live in another EU country and have never thought of veal as paler. I have to go check the super market.

Veal simply refers to meat that comes from a cattle beast that is younger than the older cattle that beef comes from. There is no specific way to feed veal, but if the veal was fed a milk diet, then that is when the colour is lighter than when it is fed a more traditional diet.

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Post by ender341341 »

babuskov wrote: post #101
animal531 wrote: post #89

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Milk contains a lot of calcium, but scientific studies show that humans barely absorb any of it, especially if pasteurized. Even worse, milk increases calcium loss in bones, resulting in higher rates of fractures. Modern milk is also a processed food, which brings a host of other negative associated factors.

> scientific studies show that humans barely absorb any of it, especially if pasteurized Link? > Even worse, milk increases calcium loss in bones, resulting in higher rates of fractures. I would love to read some serious research on this. Some 3-4 years ago I read similar advice, stopped drinking milk for about 5 months and started having serious problems with teeth which I never had before. Started drinking milk aga…

not op but found this [1] cause I found it interesting. They found that uht milk had greater bio-availablity compared to traditional pasturization because the traditional pasturization created more maillard reaction byproducts. Didn't find anything comparing those to raw milk though.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21094734

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

vfc1 wrote: post #63

This is large scale Matrix-like exploitation at its finest like only humans can do. Copying the genes of a single animal hundreds of thousands of times, killing the males at birth, plugging the females to a milking machine, feed them corn and soy which is totally not their natural diet and injecting them with tons of antibiotics, hormones and god knows what else. I wonder what could possibly go wrong? All completely…

> Copying the genes of a single animal hundreds of thousands of times, killing the males at birth, plugging the females to a milking machine, feed them corn and soy which is totally not their natural diet and injecting them with tons of antibiotics, hormones and god knows what else.

I'd just like to point out as you seem to be (wilfully?) unaware - there are far more ethical and natural ways of producing cows' milk commonly practised all over the world as they have been for centuries.

I'm also horrified by the abomination that is the modern US intensive factory model but it's disingenious to claim that this is the only way. Consumers can easily avoid it without cutting out dairy altogether as long as they're informed.

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Post by lexapro »

vfc1 wrote: post #63

This is large scale Matrix-like exploitation at its finest like only humans can do. Copying the genes of a single animal hundreds of thousands of times, killing the males at birth, plugging the females to a milking machine, feed them corn and soy which is totally not their natural diet and injecting them with tons of antibiotics, hormones and god knows what else. I wonder what could possibly go wrong? All completely…

I can image cutting out meat from my diet, only thing I would really miss is the taste of chicken and maybe fish. Dairy on the other hand would be much much harder. Because I wouldn't just miss the taste but would have to change my entire diet.

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Post by vfc1 »

rimliu wrote: post #96
kuu wrote: post #95

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> Adult animals in most species can't even drink milk, they can't digest it anymore past infancy. But we're not animals. Animals cannot drive cars (not even the babies!) and we do. We're different than animals in some aspects. Some of us are able to digest milk

Indeed, "we have evolved to be able to do something, but other species did not, so we should not do it neither" is a very backward argument.

The point was that its actually a very unnatural thing to be doing, and that we only evolved very recently to be able to even do it.

Also, there is a whole spectrum to it. You don't have to be 100% medically diagnosed as lactose intolerant, it might cause you ocasional digestive issues without you even know it.

Like those unexplained, once a month or once every 3 months diarrheas that many of us take as a fact of life, it's actually not normal and might very well be dairy that is causing it for a lot of people.

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

minikites wrote: post #110
toasterlovin wrote: post #60

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FWIW, if this were likely, it probably would have already happened. That's the paradox of superbugs.

It did already happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gros_Michel_banana

Grapes too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_French_Wine_Blight

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Post by Ensorceled »

topmonk wrote: post #54
slimed wrote: post #46

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Yes, biodiversity in major crops is a serious problem. Global famine? Give me a break. That would require the failure of multiple crop species extending across thousands of miles. It's never happened in human history on that scale. Why would it now? Yes, losing all the Cavendish bananas would be really bad. But why would a superbug that takes out all the bananas have any effect on the corn, wheat, etc growing down th…

> But why would a superbug that takes out all the bananas have any effect on the corn, wheat, etc growing down the road? Simply, copies. If a superbug is able to destroy all the world's bananas, it would grow in population 1 million fold to do so. A bacteria or virus with a million times as many members will evolve a million times as quickly. Given such, a species jump wouldn't be hard to do. And after the first coup…

Ah, so you think this virus will wipe out ALL plants everywhere simply because there are lots of copies of the banana killing virus?

There are already lots of viruses at scale that don't become superbugs and randomly jump the species barrier.

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Post by vfc1 »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #115
vfc1 wrote: post #63

This is large scale Matrix-like exploitation at its finest like only humans can do. Copying the genes of a single animal hundreds of thousands of times, killing the males at birth, plugging the females to a milking machine, feed them corn and soy which is totally not their natural diet and injecting them with tons of antibiotics, hormones and god knows what else. I wonder what could possibly go wrong? All completely…

> Copying the genes of a single animal hundreds of thousands of times, killing the males at birth, plugging the females to a milking machine, feed them corn and soy which is totally not their natural diet and injecting them with tons of antibiotics, hormones and god knows what else. I'd just like to point out as you seem to be (wilfully?) unaware - there are far more ethical and natural ways of producing cows' milk c…

One thing implies the other, as it's impossible to produce enough dairy for so many people using the methods you mention, that is why most dairy people consume comes from factory farms in the first place.

Dairy price would sky-rocket and become a luxury item, and few people would be able to afford it several times a day every day, as its so common today.

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