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Most U.S. Dairy Cows Are Descended From Just Two Bulls

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Re: Most U.S. Dairy Cows Are Descended From Just Two Bulls

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Post by babuskov »

animal531 wrote: post #89
rimliu wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Milk is a very good source of calcium and it has nothing to do with lactose.

Milk contains a lot of calcium, but scientific studies show that humans barely absorb any of it, especially if pasteurized. Even worse, milk increases calcium loss in bones, resulting in higher rates of fractures. Modern milk is also a processed food, which brings a host of other negative associated factors.

> scientific studies show that humans barely absorb any of it, especially if pasteurized

Link?

> Even worse, milk increases calcium loss in bones, resulting in higher rates of fractures.

I would love to read some serious research on this. Some 3-4 years ago I read similar advice, stopped drinking milk for about 5 months and started having serious problems with teeth which I never had before. Started drinking milk again and a month later all the problems disappeared.

People, don't stop drinking milk just because a random person on the Internet said so.

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Post by Moru »

rimliu wrote: post #97
Moru wrote: post #74

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And growing green things is in general more efficient than cows. There was a lot of lobbying going on to get the milk industry to what it is now in western countries.

US is not the world, you know.

Lobbying is done in the whole world though, where do you see US? Swedish milk lobby is very strong too.

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Post by topmonk »

toasterlovin wrote: post #60
topmonk wrote: post #54

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> But why would a superbug that takes out all the bananas have any effect on the corn, wheat, etc growing down the road? Simply, copies. If a superbug is able to destroy all the world's bananas, it would grow in population 1 million fold to do so. A bacteria or virus with a million times as many members will evolve a million times as quickly. Given such, a species jump wouldn't be hard to do. And after the first coup…

FWIW, if this were likely, it probably would have already happened. That's the paradox of superbugs.

Said the man after his doctor diagnosed him with a severe risk of heart attack.

Re: Most U.S. Dairy Cows Are Descended From Just Two Bulls

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Post by babuskov »

vfc1 wrote: post #68
rimliu wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Milk is a very good source of calcium and it has nothing to do with lactose.

Calcium can be easily obtained from plant foods without any problem as well, and in a better form better managed by the human body - https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/calcium/ > "A meta-analysis of cow’s milk intake and hip fracture studies showed no significant protection" > "milk may sometimes increase bone and hip fracture rates" Milk and all it's derived products have lactose, so they should be avoided by people…

You make it sound easy, but let's look at the facts. The link you posted, says you need at least 600 mg of calcium per day. 100g of brocolli has 47mg. So, you would need to eat 1.3kg of brocolli EVERY single day.

Who does that?

Re: Most U.S. Dairy Cows Are Descended From Just Two Bulls

#106

Post by topmonk »

DuskStar wrote: post #59
topmonk wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But why would a superbug that takes out all the bananas have any effect on the corn, wheat, etc growing down the road? Simply, copies. If a superbug is able to destroy all the world's bananas, it would grow in population 1 million fold to do so. A bacteria or virus with a million times as many members will evolve a million times as quickly. Given such, a species jump wouldn't be hard to do. And after the first coup…

I suppose I should be sitting up in terror for the superbug that comes after us from ants, then? After all ants outmass humans worldwide by a decent margin... Thing is, I'm pretty sure that ants and humans are only a few times further apart than potatoes and corn are. (Monocots and Dicots split ~140-150 Myr ago [0], Arthropoda and Chordata about ~1000 Myr ago [1]) (I initially thought the Monocots/Dicots split was fu…

What does the number of ants vs humans have to do with the population of a species ballooning 1 million times its original size?

Re: Most U.S. Dairy Cows Are Descended From Just Two Bulls

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Post by classxteve »

This guy who said "don't stop drinking milk because some random person on the internet said so". Dude, really need to get with common sense. Research can and is skewed everyday. You want research? Go to the factory farms where these animals suffer and die each day so you can have your milk and yogurt and whey protein trash. Don't rely on someone to spoon feed you. This is corporate manipulation at Amazon scale. Get with the program, cows milk is for calves, not humans.

Re: Most U.S. Dairy Cows Are Descended From Just Two Bulls

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Post by GordonS »

animal531 wrote: post #89
rimliu wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Milk is a very good source of calcium and it has nothing to do with lactose.

Milk contains a lot of calcium, but scientific studies show that humans barely absorb any of it, especially if pasteurized. Even worse, milk increases calcium loss in bones, resulting in higher rates of fractures. Modern milk is also a processed food, which brings a host of other negative associated factors.

Curious to know how pasteurisation affects the bioavailability of calcium - do you have sources with more information?

Re: Most U.S. Dairy Cows Are Descended From Just Two Bulls

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Post by minikites »

toasterlovin wrote: post #60
topmonk wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But why would a superbug that takes out all the bananas have any effect on the corn, wheat, etc growing down the road? Simply, copies. If a superbug is able to destroy all the world's bananas, it would grow in population 1 million fold to do so. A bacteria or virus with a million times as many members will evolve a million times as quickly. Given such, a species jump wouldn't be hard to do. And after the first coup…

FWIW, if this were likely, it probably would have already happened. That's the paradox of superbugs.

It did already happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gros_Michel_banana
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