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Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by philwelch »

freehunter wrote: post #326
whack wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amazon's predatory instincts are pointed inwards and downwards, towards employees and vendors... the crying software engineers and all other things I hear about them are about running an internally facing extraction economy... The squeeze is being put on those who draw a paycheck (or at least, a profit) from Amazon I know 10+ software engineers at Amazon, including people in their early 30s making close to half-a-m…

It's the same way with my company. In the rare situation I see my employer mentioned on HN, I can't even bother reading the comment. It's all so overwhelmingly negative. Not just on the management, but on the employees as well. HN's perception of the company who signs my paychecks is so wildly different from my own perspective as an employee there that I have a hard time believing anyone on HN who talks about a negat…

HN isn’t even bad as far as Internet forums go, but the longer you work in the field, the more and more obvious it becomes that Internet forums are generally full of shit.

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by philwelch »

BookmarkSaver wrote: post #214
gopalv wrote: post #200

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> Amazon is a slightly annoying company that I rarely root for, but Oracle is a predatory company Amazon and Oracle couldn't be more different in this point of view. Amazon's predatory instincts are pointed inwards and downwards, towards employees and vendors, while being mostly great towards the customer. Everything from their warehouse workers with timers, the crying software engineers and all other things I hear a…

>the crying software engineers Just like to point out that that NYT hit piece didn't actually interview any software engineers IIRC.

The NYT hit piece came out when I worked at AMZN. I was honestly shocked and surprised at how the company was described because it didn’t match my experience nor those of anyone I knew there. It was the first time I’ve personally experienced Gell-Mann amnesia, except I didn’t forget.

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by colek42 »

irrational wrote: post #89

We've been working on migrating from Oracle to Postgres for a few years now. We are about 2 weeks from being finished. It is not for the faint of heart, but it is totally worth it. The documentation is much much better, performance is equivalent or better, the sql dialect is saner, etc. Other than moving the data itself (ora2pg was invaluable for this), rewriting the queries is what has taken the most amount of time.…

The best part about this comment is that any errors or new best practices will automatically be updated with the entire knowledge of the world.

Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by scarface74 »

kbenson wrote: post #360
whack wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amazon's predatory instincts are pointed inwards and downwards, towards employees and vendors... the crying software engineers and all other things I hear about them are about running an internally facing extraction economy... The squeeze is being put on those who draw a paycheck (or at least, a profit) from Amazon I know 10+ software engineers at Amazon, including people in their early 30s making close to half-a-m…

> However, there is a severe disconnect between the median Amazon employee's experience, and public perception. Not to get into whether Amazon employees have it good or bad, but using the software engineers to explain the median Amazon employee's experience seems a bit odd. Given that Amazon is widely reported to have well over half a million employees now, and I doubt the software engineers are anywhere near the maj…

In that case, should we not count how badly Foxconn workers who manufacturer Apple’s phones have it? While technically they aren’t Apple employees, that’s a distinction without a moral difference. Would the same people who are criticizing how Amazon treats “its” employees change, if Amazon contracted out all of its warehouse workers? Somewhere in every tech company’s supply chain there are some blue collar workers that aren’t treated as well as the white collar workers.

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Post by dataminded »

discodave wrote: post #162
mjw1007 wrote: post #82

Amazon's leadership famously pushed hard in the early 2000s for all its systems to share data only via service interfaces ( https://gist.github.com/chitchcock/1281611 ). I wonder how much of the reason for that was actually a wish to avoid getting further locked in to Oracle (changing or removing a database that backs a single service is very much easier than changing a database that also acts as an integration point…

If the goal of SOA was to reduce Oracle lock in then it utterly failed. After SOA practically every team had an Oracle db, so now they have to convince tens of thousands of engineers to migrate thousands of databases. Imagine what Oracle is going to try and charge Amazon per month for every remaining DB given how publicly hostile Amazon has been.

Amazon has enough money to not care. The marketing from this announcement will make them enough money to not care even less.

The contracts almost certainly have pre-negotiated rate increases. You don’t put the vendor in a position to double your rates after you’ve adopted software.

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Post by colek42 »

JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #226
irrational wrote: post #89

We've been working on migrating from Oracle to Postgres for a few years now. We are about 2 weeks from being finished. It is not for the faint of heart, but it is totally worth it. The documentation is much much better, performance is equivalent or better, the sql dialect is saner, etc. Other than moving the data itself (ora2pg was invaluable for this), rewriting the queries is what has taken the most amount of time.…

I have a hard time believing PostgreSQL performance is better than Oracle, can you give an example? How big is your database and how much did migrating cost you?

You can buy a lot of SSD storage for the price of an Oracle licence.

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Post by tcarn »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #371
alexis_fr wrote: post #293

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Atlassian Jira’s license, section 3.2: « (h) use the Software for competitive analysis or to build competitive products; (i) publicly disseminate information regarding the performance of the Software; or (j) encourage or assist any third party to do any of the foregoing. » https://www.atlassian.com/legal/software-license-agreement

Am I permitted to say that Jira is a bloated, festering slug of a web app?

Your doorbell is ringing, I would answer it. It’s the police, with a warrant.

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Post by tw04 »

scarface74 wrote: post #384
kbenson wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, there is a severe disconnect between the median Amazon employee's experience, and public perception. Not to get into whether Amazon employees have it good or bad, but using the software engineers to explain the median Amazon employee's experience seems a bit odd. Given that Amazon is widely reported to have well over half a million employees now, and I doubt the software engineers are anywhere near the maj…

In that case, should we not count how badly Foxconn workers who manufacturer Apple’s phones have it? While technically they aren’t Apple employees, that’s a distinction without a moral difference. Would the same people who are criticizing how Amazon treats “its” employees change, if Amazon contracted out all of its warehouse workers? Somewhere in every tech company’s supply chain there are some blue collar workers th…

Then we can include the same foxconn (or insert odm) employees that build echo devices and Amazon still ends up in the bottom of the barrel relatively speaking.

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Post by scarface74 »

tw04 wrote: post #388
scarface74 wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In that case, should we not count how badly Foxconn workers who manufacturer Apple’s phones have it? While technically they aren’t Apple employees, that’s a distinction without a moral difference. Would the same people who are criticizing how Amazon treats “its” employees change, if Amazon contracted out all of its warehouse workers? Somewhere in every tech company’s supply chain there are some blue collar workers th…

Then we can include the same foxconn (or insert odm) employees that build echo devices and Amazon still ends up in the bottom of the barrel relatively speaking.

Yes. Every tech company outsources the dirty work. Facebook even outsources the mentally draining work of monitoring videos for child porn and violence. None of the large tech companies are innocent. We just put more emphasis on struggling factory workers in America than the conditions of people in other countries that “work for” them.

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Post by zer00eyz »

thefreeman wrote: post #375
jjoonathan wrote: post #366

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Yeah, we know you've got us locked in. The steaming piles served up in the console still taste like shit.

if you are using the console to manage your infrastructure you're doing it wrong

You answered the questions on exactly what is wrong with the console...
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