is this purpose built database based on mysql or postgresql?
Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database
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#162Amazon's leadership famously pushed hard in the early 2000s for all its systems to share data only via service interfaces ( https://gist.github.com/chitchcock/1281611 ). I wonder how much of the reason for that was actually a wish to avoid getting further locked in to Oracle (changing or removing a database that backs a single service is very much easier than changing a database that also acts as an integration point…
If the goal of SOA was to reduce Oracle lock in then it utterly failed. After SOA practically every team had an Oracle db, so now they have to convince tens of thousands of engineers to migrate thousands of databases.
Imagine what Oracle is going to try and charge Amazon per month for every remaining DB given how publicly hostile Amazon has been.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oracle's new licensing requirement for Java is a bit threat to that platform. My company for technical reasons can't switch to OpenJVM so we're going to pay Oracle their new licensing money but we're not doing any greenfield Java development and are going to work towards moving our Java applications to another platform. That's an n=1 example but wouldn't be surprised if others end up migrating away, causing longterm…
> My company for technical reasons can't switch to OpenJVM The OpenJDK (not 'OpenJVM', that's not a thing) is literally 100% the same build as Oracle JDK now. There can't be any technical reason.
It's the same now, but in previous versions there were important differences. Might be legacy code that's hard to make forward compatible.
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#164We've been working on migrating from Oracle to Postgres for a few years now. We are about 2 weeks from being finished. It is not for the faint of heart, but it is totally worth it. The documentation is much much better, performance is equivalent or better, the sql dialect is saner, etc. Other than moving the data itself (ora2pg was invaluable for this), rewriting the queries is what has taken the most amount of time.…
Thanks I’ve sent this comment to our DBAs. Very useful.
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#165> The migration gave each internal team the freedom to choose the purpose-built AWS database service that best fit their needs, and also gave them better control over their budget and their cost model. Anyone know of a comprehensive resource that we could use to figure out which DB to use?
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it not the case that it is actually the opposite? That GCP is running on the internally-available cloud infrastructure at Google? How would they turn that inside out? What would GCP actually run on if they ran GCP on GCP? Or do you mean run search/gmail/youtube on GCP? Isn't their internal infra basically kubernetes in all but name?
I've heard that Google is bad at dog fooding their own cloud infrastructure and even that Borg is still dominant over Kubernetes in their internal infra but don't have any insider knowledge. If true this is one thing that Amazon is vastly superior than Google at.
Internal teams are using some GCP services, but overall nearly all teams stick with Borg. Many key services like Search are not able to switch to GCP b/c performance degradation.
Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database
#167We've been working on migrating from Oracle to Postgres for a few years now. We are about 2 weeks from being finished. It is not for the faint of heart, but it is totally worth it. The documentation is much much better, performance is equivalent or better, the sql dialect is saner, etc. Other than moving the data itself (ora2pg was invaluable for this), rewriting the queries is what has taken the most amount of time.…
I wonder: How long before someone adds a patch to PostgreSQL as a 'compat' patch, or extension.
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#168Oracle goes after customers with 3rd party companies, if you use oracle expect calls for audits and more licenses. You download virtualbox extension at work? Thats a fee per user. Use an Oracle VM in a vmware cluster? They want paid for all cores in your environment now.
Seriously, Oracle goes after their customers like criminals. I refuse their calls at work, they really are just looking for something to make you pay.
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#169The video feels like a big middle finger to Oracle. "stop oracle", and the URL https://aws.amazon.com/products/databases/freedom . Not that I'm complaining, Oracle deserves all the hate they get for their business practices. But associating AWS with "breaking free" is extremely ironic. It's just as much of a source for vendor lock in as Oracle. If you are not extremely careful/dedicated with your system design, you a…
This is kind of reply to Larry Ellison's comments [1] about how Amazon can't run their business on their own databases.
Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database
#170I wonder if anyone here has seen any net new adoption of Oracle DBs in the last few years? It was an absolute juggernaut 10-15 years ago and has rapidly tanked their reputation and spread their business across software, services and cloud with mixed results. Is it actually still growing or just milking their stodgy enterprise customers for more money?
I believe the business model is that it is near impossible to leave the ecosystem (this is also how SAP can still thrive). It takes a lot of money and expertise to make the migration happen. Few companies have scaling problems as pronounced as Amazon and as much of a vested interest in migrating to their own custom solutions.
SAP survives because it's good and handles a lot of business cases.
I still hear implementations.
I don't hear implementations of Oracle.