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Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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Re: Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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> 1. How easy/difficult to get Switzerland citizenship if you live and work there? I know someone who was born there, raised there, currently lives there (after a while in North America) and does not having citizenship or want to go through the hassle. From what she says it's a massive pain in the ass.

"How easy/difficult to get Switzerland citizenship if you live and work there" "From what she says it's a massive pain in the ass." This statement is true, but geting citizenship is not required to stay in Switzerland basicly vor ever as long as u have work

She has an EU passport for her and her kid (husband is american though).

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The CEO of Credit Suisse is a black man from the Ivory Coast. Not to say that racism doesn't exist in Switzerland but equally you don't see policemen shooting unarmed black people in their houses either.

That's likely attributed more to gun culture than a lack of racism

High gun ownership in Switzerland.

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> In other big metropolitan areas (Paris, London, etc.), the cost of living is at least a bit lower, but they're still major cities and not that cheap. And there salaries for engineers are even lower. If you want decent pay in London you go contract, not perm, and head for the finance sector. You can make the equivalent of $150k-280k depending on how good you are at landing contracts and selling yourself. AFAICT the…

May I ask where did you find good rates in Austria?

I've never followed up on any of these because I'm not currently interested in leaving the UK. But a quick search of my inbox shows Graz is where most of the work is, and the latest rate I can find in any of the emails is €70 per hour.

If I were to take on this work through my Ltd company it would translate to a salary equivalent of around £101,000 or $130,000 US. What you actually get out of it probably depends on your exact tax situation I guess!

Most of the work in Austria that comes my way seems to be embedded systems or kernel work, though one or two are Java related.

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How was the process of obtaining a work visa / citizenship?

Make sure you are knowledgeable about raclette. https://www.thelocal.ch/20180604/brit-denied-swiss-citizensh...

in 20th century they called it fascism

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I used to live in Switzerland, so maybe we can mention some of the downsides.

It's racist. Really racist. If you're white, no one's going to hassle you to see your papers. If you're not, keep them with you. Expect to meet hostility in shops and markets and get quoted different prices than white people. Those 25% immigrants the article mentions? Mostly European, and many of those aren't immigrants. They were born and raised in Switzerland, but are still considered immigrants.

It's rigid. I'm not sure I want my children going to school in a system where using the wrong color pen is penalized comparably to getting the answer wrong.

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The country, I would really want to emigrate to is Portgual. lots of sun, low cost of living. but it seems there's no tech jobs there and they pay poorly. I'm not seeking SV money, either but more like mid city US money in the range of 50-75k EUR for a mid level engineer

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Firefighters can make bank.. overtime and all that. Teachers are underpaid and nurses are probably too but they too can do well working overtime etc...

Firefighters and teachers are normally overtime exempt salary. And it's not really fair to nurses to say "you only get a fair wage if you're putting in 60-80 hours". It's also not fair to their patients, as care quality drops pretty hard when you over work nurses and doctors.

Firefighters get both salary and overtime. So do cops. Benefit of having a union.

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Firefighters and teachers are normally overtime exempt salary. And it's not really fair to nurses to say "you only get a fair wage if you're putting in 60-80 hours". It's also not fair to their patients, as care quality drops pretty hard when you over work nurses and doctors.

Firefighters get both salary and overtime. So do cops. Benefit of having a union.

Depends heavily on the district.

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May I ask where did you find good rates in Austria?

I've never followed up on any of these because I'm not currently interested in leaving the UK. But a quick search of my inbox shows Graz is where most of the work is, and the latest rate I can find in any of the emails is €70 per hour. If I were to take on this work through my Ltd company it would translate to a salary equivalent of around £101,000 or $130,000 US. What you actually get out of it probably depends on y…

Damn, I live in Graz and work in the embedded field and never get any contracting offers in my inbox.

Would you mind sharing some, maybe in private?

Re: Switzerland vs Silicon Valley for Software Developers

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Rent in Zurich is $4000 a month and that as an advantage? Is that a joke? Many workers in Switzerland commute daily from foreign countries to save money.

i live right next to google / zurich main station and pay 2300chf/month for a larger flat than mentioned in the article

Fair enough, Zurich is a nice city and its worth it. But recommending it for affordable rent...
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