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Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by pjmlp »

scarface74 wrote: post #372
pjmlp wrote: post #370

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You are the only one here fighting hard to make the distinction between .NET Framework and .NET Core, as if that would matter to Fortune 500's. They don't care for one second, we keep getting greenfield projects with deployment requests on top of 4.7.2. And brownfield projects still using 4.5. For them even having the possibility to migrate to 4.8 would be a dream come true, let alone something like .NET Core. So no…

I’m not the only one “fighting hard to make the distinction”. Technically the distinction isn’t minor. One runs only on Windows, is in maintenance mode according to Microsoft and won’t get any major updates going forward and one is cross platform, actively being improved upon, and is the future of Microsoft’s development platform according to Microsoft And you’re in Europe, do you really have an on the ground pulse o…

Most Fortune 500 operate world wide.

As for VB 6, if they pay alright and offer nice remoting package, why not.

Actually I did a couple of VB.NET (.NET 4.5) support activities during last year.

See, most people around this side of the pound aren't career obsessed.

We get to work, enjoy our IT unions (in some countries), 30 day vacations and have a life outside job.

As long as it pays the bills, most people are happy with what they get.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by ohiovr »

scarface74 wrote: post #360
ohiovr wrote: post #329

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Emulators support nearly everything. I can even run a TI994a program on a PC, Mac, or Linux. If you can't run emulators on Mac that is sad news to me. Maybe bad example, it was technically 16 bit, but it was well over 30 years old. Here is a pet emulator: https://www.masswerk.at/pet/ Just the other day my brother told me he met a really talented graphics designer that still primarily uses some 25 year old sign design…

Of course you can run emulators. But that has nothing to do with OS vendors maintaining backwards compatibility. Are you really arguing that Windows is compatibility with the Super Nintendo because you can run an emulator?

Yes, and this is how powerpc applications were supported for years.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by jonplackett »

kalleboo wrote: post #286
jonplackett wrote: post #264

I love TextWrangler. I may not upgrade just because of this. It still seems to handle massive files better than anything else I’ve used. Even BBEdit which is supposed to be it’s successor. How can this be?

TextWrangler was always just a fork of BBEdit (it replaced “BBEdit Lite” as the free version) so there should be no real difference in performance. BBEdit 12 also improved large file support so maybe give it another try if you haven’t recently?

Thanks, will do. I really didn’t understand it either but it was definitely the case!

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Post by LocalH »

sarbaz wrote: post #358
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #345

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I think we're looking at this the wrong way. The reason Microsoft killed 16 bit support (In 64 bit editions of Windows) is that very few people were actually running 16 bit apps at that point. Where Microsoft made a decision based on what their users were actually doing, Apple has a made a decision based on what it wants their users to be doing. The amount of time isn't really relevant. If lots of your users rely on…

The true reason is that intel didn't support coexistence of Virtual 8086 mode with 64-bit mode. So adding 16 bit app support would require loads of work to get it working as part of a 64 bit OS. Regular protected mode code has built in support that allows easily running 16 bit apps, so maintaining compatibility was a no-brainer. The moment the trade-off changed, Microsoft decided to drop support for 16 bit apps. Pers…

Really, all they'd have to do is drop a v86 emulator into NTVDM. There actually exist a handful of projects attempting to bring emulated 16-bit support to 64-bit Windows, including one that's based on that leaked Windows source code (which apparently had a copy of the CPU emulator they used on other platforms back when there were actually non-Intel builds of Windows).

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Post by scarface74 »

pjmlp wrote: post #380
scarface74 wrote: post #371

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It’s not about what you care about the industry is definitely moving further away from Windows desktop apps as it’s main focus and is definitely moving toward services and mobile. How much clearer can you get than the CEO of MS saying they are distancing themselves from Windows as a priority? If enterprises are embracing Linux even on Azure, their definitely not using .Net Framework. Today more Linux VMs are being ho…

The industries I move on, we don't care about coffee shop programming trends. Lets talk again in five years time.

So REST instead of SOAP is a “coffee shop trend”? That migration has been going on for at least a decade.

We already know the “trend” that .Net is going in from no less than the program manager of .Net. That “trend” is no major new features for .Net Framework and it will be stuck at 4.8.x forever while all of the innovation is happening with .Net Core.

We also know the “trend” of MS’s focus from no less than the CEO of Microsoft - a de-emphasis on Windows and an emphasis on cloud and moving to where the customers are - Linux and services for both web and mobile users.

Don’t you think it’s quite telling that the biggest news for Windows 10 lately is improved support for Linux via WSL 2.0 and how much emphasis is being put on VS Code?

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Post by pkamb »

wilg wrote: post #292
pkamb wrote: post #191

QuickTime 7 is the biggest loss. Really wish that would somehow be updated/supported as a 64-bit app, as QuickTime X does not replace it.

We made an app to try to fill that gap! Check it out if you like: https://videovillage.co/screen/

Is there a trial? I'd like to test it but $99 to even download the app is a hard ask.

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Post by gamblor956 »

scarface74 wrote: post #104
gamblor956 wrote: post #54

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What product on the PC does the Apple have that MS could never produce?

How is MS doing with phones? tablets? Watches ($15-$20 billion dollars in revenue and profitable), heck even set top boxes?

I was not aware that phones, tablets, and watches were on the PC...

But on that note: the Surface tablet is considered the best hybrid PC in its class, and that includes Apple devices. The XBox has sold several tens of millions of units in each generation.

Oh, and here's the kicker: Microsoft's hardware is universally superior to Apple hardware in the same class. You can still use Microsoft hardware from the turn-of-the-century. Even Zunes still work (though you need to connect them as MTP devices instead of using the Zune Store). I have an HP Windows Phone that still works, and still handles call better than an iPhone.

I don't know anyone who still has an Apple laptop, PC, or other hardware more than 10 years old. Apple products simply aren't built to last more than a handful of years before they fall apart because you're using them wrong.

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Post by [deleted] »

scarface74 wrote: post #102
stuartd wrote: post #73

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It's worth considering the different markets here. Raymond Chen [0] posted this in 2006 - "On the importance of backwards compatibility for large corporations" [1] > Representatives from the IT department of a major worldwide corporation came to Redmond and took time out of their busy schedule to give a talk on how their operations are set up. I was phenomenally impressed. These people know their stuff. Definitely a…

Well seeing how Microsoft’s profits have increased compare to Apple’s, which was the better idea? Selling to consumers or businesses? And MS’s recent successes have had nothing to do with Windows. MS’s growth has come from o365 being available everywhere and Azure - where most of the VMs are in fact Linux not Windows. Not to mention that .Net for Windows and all of the related technology (WinForms, WPF, etc) are in m…

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Post by pjmlp »

scarface74 wrote: post #385
pjmlp wrote: post #380

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The industries I move on, we don't care about coffee shop programming trends. Lets talk again in five years time.

So REST instead of SOAP is a “coffee shop trend”? That migration has been going on for at least a decade. We already know the “trend” that .Net is going in from no less than the program manager of .Net. That “trend” is no major new features for .Net Framework and it will be stuck at 4.8.x forever while all of the innovation is happening with .Net Core. We also know the “trend” of MS’s focus from no less than the CEO…

It is, just right now I am working for a customer where SOAP keeps being relevant as ever.

.NET Core will be relevant for this kind of customers in about 5 years time, again we are still targeting 4.7.2 for bleeding edge customers.

Microsoft wants to win the hearts of FOSS developers that buy Macs as pretty UNIX for developing GNU/Linux software and are unhappy with the latest "Pro" offerings without having ever written a single line of Objective-C or Swift, that's all.

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Post by pjmlp »

scarface74 wrote: post #356
pjmlp wrote: post #315

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For the top 1% of app developers that try their luck, out for people living in first tier countries. And if we remove the FAANG related products even less. The world is a little bigger than that.

It’s not just the 1% of app developers making money developing apps. There are plenty of mobile developers making money working for companies that sell services that customers use on mobile devices. I was making a living over a decade ago doing “mobile development” working for a company deploying to ruggedized Win CE devices. The only way to make money from people using “computers” in developing countries is by targe…

Yep, and we are happily doing that by deploying PWAs and mobile ASP.NET applications on IIS.
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