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Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by scarface74 »

pjmlp wrote: post #369
scarface74 wrote: post #351

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Again, I know you know this stuff - you were involved in the discussion when it was posted here. As mentioned, I spent the last 5 years doing Forms/WPF/UWP, and there is plenty of work there. There were also jobs for Windows CE developers in 2015 after MS abandoned it in 2007, would that have been a good career move? Microsoft said that they are only focusing on compatibility with Windows for .Net framework going for…

.NET Core is yet to be embraced by most enterprises, everyone is waiting for .NET 5 to actually make the switch. Too much software is now making the transition into .NET Framework 7.x, to bother with half baked support from Core to many APIs like EF6, WCF and components from third party vendors. From where I am standing, we don't care what Microsoft calls it this month, it is .NET.

It’s not about what you care about the industry is definitely moving further away from Windows desktop apps as it’s main focus and is definitely moving toward services and mobile. How much clearer can you get than the CEO of MS saying they are distancing themselves from Windows as a priority? If enterprises are embracing Linux even on Azure, their definitely not using .Net Framework.

Today more Linux VMs are being hosted by Azure than Windows. Microsoft is making serious investments in cross platform development and making Linux a first class development environment on Windows with improvements in WSL.

EF6 and WCF is legacy. Really? Are we arguing about SOAP in 2019?

It’s not about what Microsoft is “calling it”. It’s about where all of the future emphasis of .Net improvements are.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by scarface74 »

pjmlp wrote: post #370
scarface74 wrote: post #362

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No they aren’t and you know this. .Net framework is in maintenance mode and not being actively updated with new features. That’s like saying .Net Compact Framework and .Net Core are the same thing. As far as Azure running on Hyper V and not Linux, that’s irrelevant since developers of Azure are running in Linux VMs more than Windows VMs.

You are the only one here fighting hard to make the distinction between .NET Framework and .NET Core, as if that would matter to Fortune 500's. They don't care for one second, we keep getting greenfield projects with deployment requests on top of 4.7.2. And brownfield projects still using 4.5. For them even having the possibility to migrate to 4.8 would be a dream come true, let alone something like .NET Core. So no…

I’m not the only one “fighting hard to make the distinction”. Technically the distinction isn’t minor. One runs only on Windows, is in maintenance mode according to Microsoft and won’t get any major updates going forward and one is cross platform, actively being improved upon, and is the future of Microsoft’s development platform according to Microsoft

And you’re in Europe, do you really have an on the ground pulse of what most Fortune 500 American companies are doing? I’m frequently looking at the job boards and most greenfield projects are (unfortunately it’s my favorite language) not focused on C#/.Net at all and those that are trying to get from under both Windows licensing and the increased resources requirements and are moving toward .Net Core.

There are still holdouts for VB6 and I still see jobs wanting people to maintain them. But would you say maintaining legacy VB6 code was a good career move?

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by blub »

inapis wrote: post #364
blub wrote: post #338

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The 15+ security issues come to mind...

Apple supports the previous version of OSX with security updates for some time.

If the Catalina fixes have already been back-ported to Mojave, please link to the Apple security announcement.

Where are the Mojave fixes for CVE-2019-8745 and CVE-2019-8769 for example? If they're not available, my point stands.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by blub »

sjwright wrote: post #355
blub wrote: post #337

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A pedantically correct, but ultimately pointless observation. One can install and play a game bought from gog.com any time one wants, unlike with games bought from Steam, which have DRM, have to be activated online and must ping the Steam servers periodically.

Technically correct is the best kind of correct. Your example is valid, but there are plenty of other examples pushing in the opposite direction—for example PS4 and XB1 games delivered on physical media. Yes they'll play out of the box "forever" ... but in order to download important (occasionally critical) software patches you need the explicit blessing of Sony or Microsoft servers. And you could lose these for reas…

The PS, Xbox and Steam are all different incarnations of cloud services. They are very convenient, but ultimately don't offer any guarantees that one can play the games even a week from now.

At least consoles work without issue in offline mode, although MS wanted to disable that a few years ago, were confronted massive backlash and had to cancel their plans.

A big and relatively recent problem with consoles is that even offline games now more or less require a patch, because they're launched with major bugs.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by sbuk »

noisem4ker wrote: post #342
sbuk wrote: post #318

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That’s a rather simplistic view of things. The long and the short of it is this; it’s not Apple’s responsibility to to ensure Adobe’s software runs on their platform, it’s Adobe’s and Adobe no longer support CS6.

What is a computer if not a place for software to run on? Is it not part of the producer's responsibility to make sure software runs fine on their platform? The bond goes both ways.

Simply put, no! Certainly not if the developer of the non-functioning software no-longer supports it.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

Terretta wrote: post #275
shakna wrote: post #239

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> Why would you switch the OS you're running? Snow Leopard for life! Because Snow Leopard is full of unpatched security holes. [0] Including RCEs. [0] https://wyzguyscybersecurity.com/apple-patched-safari-and-os...

Snow Leopard was tongue in cheek as it comes up among OSX fans as the best OS made. To your point, there are plenty newer MacOS versions that might still suit ones taste, still run 32 bit apps, and still get patched. There are plenty alternatives to surfing Safari. Heck, you can even get modern Firefox compiled for Power Macintosh G3, G4, or G5 (not for Lion 10.7 or newer, which dropped Power Mac support): https://ww…

Note, TenFourFox isn't quite "modern Firefox", it's a fork of an old version with backported fixes and improvements. And on Snow Leopard (which only supports Intel), you'd want to use Arctic Fox instead: https://github.com/wicknix/Arctic-Fox.

> To your point, there are plenty newer MacOS versions that might still suit ones taste, still run 32 bit apps, and still get patched.

Where "plenty" equals "two", sure. Apple releases security patches for the last three Mac releases. So, High Sierra has one year left, and Mojave has two years.

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Post by reggintoggaf »

Mikhail_Edoshin wrote: post #323
reggintoggaf wrote: post #135

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Not workable. But the source should be placed in escrow that releases it once the program is no longer supported.

Are there any actual escrows that do that?

Nope, and it wont happen unleds mandated by law.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by scarface74 »

freeone3000 wrote: post #320
scarface74 wrote: post #11

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And how much has it cost Microsoft? Apple was able to successfully take the base of MacOS and port it’s operating system to a much lower spec phone back in 2007 and came to dominate the smart phone market (in profit they only thing that matters), the tablet market where MS failed repeatedly, not to mention it was able to port the base OS to everything from Watches and TV set top boxes - all things that Microsoft trie…

Windows runs on refrigerators and signage panels and ATMs just fine. It's not based on since inherent technical inadequacy, people just don't like MS products. Usually because they're late and don't quite align with what normal people want... But I don't think this has anything to do with backwards compatibility. From the Zune to WP10, what kills Microsoft in an area is "Also-ran", "not good enough", and "kinda clunk…

How else do you define as “running just fine” than - something people actually want? Most of the kiosk/vertical market type devices are running a version of Android now. The vendors that use to sell ruggedized Windows mobile devices like Intermec have since started reflashing them to run Android.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by vortico »

scarface74 wrote: post #224
vortico wrote: post #169

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Do you have a source of this? I was unable to notarize my software with my free Apple Developer ID account, so I paid $100 this year. This question ( https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/121113 ) seems to be answered "no". I would love to be mistaken so I can treat my family to a fancy meal tonight.

https://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?/topic/26149-macos... This service requires that the finished application be sent to Apple to be notarized as part of an automatic (and free) process, and that the returned "ticket" be "stapled" to the Mac app before distribution. https://www.quora.com/How-long-will-it-be-before-Apple-requi... My Google fu is escaping me because every citation of “free” is in the context of “…

My subscription is about to run out in a few months, so I'll let it expire and test this, as it would save a bit of money, and a continuous Apple Developer membership isn't necessary in order to sign apps infrequently.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by pjmlp »

scarface74 wrote: post #371
pjmlp wrote: post #369

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.NET Core is yet to be embraced by most enterprises, everyone is waiting for .NET 5 to actually make the switch. Too much software is now making the transition into .NET Framework 7.x, to bother with half baked support from Core to many APIs like EF6, WCF and components from third party vendors. From where I am standing, we don't care what Microsoft calls it this month, it is .NET.

It’s not about what you care about the industry is definitely moving further away from Windows desktop apps as it’s main focus and is definitely moving toward services and mobile. How much clearer can you get than the CEO of MS saying they are distancing themselves from Windows as a priority? If enterprises are embracing Linux even on Azure, their definitely not using .Net Framework. Today more Linux VMs are being ho…

The industries I move on, we don't care about coffee shop programming trends.

Lets talk again in five years time.

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