The Money Behind The Climate Denial Movement (2013)

Post by ykevinator » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

motohagiography wrote: post #39

Outside climatologists, geophysicists, biologists and other people with scientific training, I am not sure most people are really equipped to argue against evidence of human impact on the climate, or that human activity is a non-factor in change. However, I do think that the policies countries and even municipalities institute in response to the evidence are fair game. Wild lands conservation, green belts on cities,…

Post by fallingfrog » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

DFHippie wrote: post #44

fallingfrog wrote: post #30

Right now very close to my house there is a gas and oil storage facility and a pipeline connected to it. The city, under pressure from activist groups, has declared a climate emergency. And yet, nobody has connected the dots on the fact that if we get off fossil fuels in a timely manner, that facility is going to close . Nobody is planning for it or expecting it. The company is not facing higher insurance rates and i…

"Plan" suggests people got together and arranged it. It is the generally acknowledged most likely outcome given our demonstrated inability to overcome the people attempting thwart collective action. Maybe this seems like a slim distinction, but I think it's important to say that not everyone recognizing the likelihood of this outcome is actively planning it.

Post by ykevinator » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 1:18 PM UTC

huffmsa wrote: post #41

neffy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a group of people is allowed to consistently get away with not paying their taxes, then fairly quickly, just by the operation of the monetary system, they will be the only people with any money. The real question is, are these really the people you want in control?

No, the real question is why do you think that "the government" is entitled to a percentage of your money, and why you think they can spend it better than the private sector.

Post by huffmsa » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 1:18 PM UTC

motohagiography wrote: post #39

Outside climatologists, geophysicists, biologists and other people with scientific training, I am not sure most people are really equipped to argue against evidence of human impact on the climate, or that human activity is a non-factor in change. However, I do think that the policies countries and even municipalities institute in response to the evidence are fair game. Wild lands conservation, green belts on cities,…

Post by ykevinator » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 1:18 PM UTC

KevinEldon wrote: post #26

Dumblydorr wrote: post #5

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The problem is the GOP is bought by fossil fuel, even though solar and wind and nuclear can lobby, they can not compete with record setting fossil profits in 2019 dollar amounts, thus the GOP will continue to get on their knees before this industry. We need to technologically destroy the profits that drive denialism. We need to make EVs, renewables, nuclear, etc. so much better that fossil can't compete... seems unli…

The fossil fuel companies purchase politicians on both sides of the isle. Several prominent democrats, including former and current Democrat presidential candidates have ties with fossil fuel companies. Your argument is weakened by focusing on one political party.