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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by PrussianSteel »

BostonEnginerd wrote: post #210
reaperducer wrote: post #183

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Blocking sites like this is never reasonable Turkey has a long history of blocking web sites, even in peacetime. The last time I went there, I was surprised how many web sites I couldn't access.

I recently transited through Istanbul and noticed two things: 1) You can't get an internet connection at the airport without giving up PII - either your ticket info, or your cellphone information. 2) They block Wikipedia in the airport and on the in-flight WiFi on Turkish Airlines.

It’s a nationwide thing, not just a Turkish Airlines/airport block. I think Wikipedia’s been blocked for several years now.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by chillacy »

nexuist wrote: post #40
enriquto wrote: post #22

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> Ecuador remaining Ecuador what do you mean, exactly? This is just a personal thing, but I know many ecuadorians and I feel very strong emotions to the current events there. For me it is much closer culturally than Hong-Kong.

The idea of Hong Kong, a city-state with Western freedom + democratic values, falling to authoritarian China is far scarier than Ecuador not changing because it shows that China is willing to put in the effort (and we already know they have the power) to strip other places of their human rights. If Hong Kong falls, what's next? Likely Taiwan, Tibet, most of SEA...it's a disaster scenario that results in the de-normal…

I hope domino theory doesn't come back, I don't know if I could stomach another 30 years of proxy wars.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by dmix »

p4bl0 wrote: post #215
dmix wrote: post #150

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The only good argument IMO is that the Kurd's YPG won't distance themselves from the (actual) PKK terrorists. If they made steps to do so then Turkey wouldn't have nearly as good of a justification and I wonder if this would be different. Although I'm doubtful Turkey would still make that distinction. The border security argument is a bit weak. You shouldn't need to cross a border to defend a border.

The fact that the PKK is a terrorist organization is not at all a given. It is propaganda pushed by the Turkish government. The US government follows and so NATO too but without real ground for it (other than disliking communists a lot, I mean). The UN does not consider the PKK as a terrorist organization, and the EU Court ruled that it should be removed for the terrorist organizations list.

I follow this stuff pretty closely. Any organization that suicide bombs civilian areas is a terrorist IMO.

The EU, NATO, Japan, etc didn't start using that designation for nothing.

PKK also had an estimated 3000 child soldiers which were also used for terror operations and in combat in Syria: https://hrwf.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Child-soldiers-in...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by researcher1 »

mtw wrote: post #58

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

I would like to point out one detail which is the fact that these forces has been killing our civillians and soldiers even before I was born. They claim that these territories (East part of Turkey) should be governed by them thus they perfectly find it acceptable to kill "enemy soliders and civillians" and then uplaod every single video of their "operation" to their website and demonsrate their "great" achivements which is simply what we call as Terror. I am completely fine with creating their own governments outside of our territory but sir/madam, trust me if someone likes to invade your country and start killing your people you will not welcome them.

Seek out more info?

PKK (and possible links with YPG) Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party

PKK Website: http://pkk-online.com/en/index.php

PKK Guerilla TV (This is where they put online videos of their terrorism in our territory, killing our people): http://gerilatv.com/

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by _ptgt »

_xnmw wrote: post #55
primroot wrote: post #38

Also related. "Turkey’s Erdogan threatens to release millions of refugees into Europe over criticism of Syria offensive" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-re... Emphasis mine.

Seems like a fair threat to me. Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria so it can repatriate Syrians, it seems logical to tell Europe "if you won't support our solution, you should share the cost of accommodating the refugees".

From what I’ve read in mainstream US news sources, Europe, NATO, and the US have no faith in Turkey’s ability to execute its plan. And setting up a mini-state isn’t something you can really mess up without having catastrophic humanitarian consequences.

And quite frankly, I don’t see any reason why Turkey would succeed. Just look how much trouble the (presumably better resourced and more experienced) US has had in setting up stable governments in Iraq and Afghanistan which (in my admittedly nonexpert opinion) seem to be the best historical parallels for attempting to create stable societies out of a legal vacuum with little-to-no useful institutions and peoples with minimal experience/exposure to operating in such a society.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by dragonwriter »

_xnmw wrote: post #55
primroot wrote: post #38

Also related. "Turkey’s Erdogan threatens to release millions of refugees into Europe over criticism of Syria offensive" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-re... Emphasis mine.

Seems like a fair threat to me. Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria so it can repatriate Syrians, it seems logical to tell Europe "if you won't support our solution, you should share the cost of accommodating the refugees".

> If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria

It's not trying to do that, though that's the pretext. As with Turkey’s previous interventions in Syria and Iraq (and its ongoing internal campaigns), it's trying suppress the Kurds. If it's trying to create a pacified area, it's to avoid having a safe space for Kurds, not to repatriate Syrian refugees (except perhaps to repatriate non-Kurdish Syrian refugees to displace the Kurds, which is certainly a plausible Turkish strategic aim.)

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by johnchristopher »

iiv wrote: post #187
johnchristopher wrote: post #80

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Regardless of wether you are wrong or right I believe you shouldn't be downvoted since your comment serves as a different point of view.

There is no inherent value in having a different view. There's value in having a different view that has some value.

I find value in taking notes of different views, wether or not I or others grant them values (which in itself is of value to me).

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by oldmanthrowit »

dang wrote: post #142
oldmanthrowit wrote: post #25

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Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Türkiye? Really???? I spend 2 months per year in Catalonia. There are no kids without legs in the streets. There are not 4 million refugees there. Catalonia is identical to a bunch of Rich British wankers feeling that they are entitled to "more".

Please don't take HN threads further into political or nationalistic flamewar. Perhaps the GP was provocative, but on HN the idea is not to take provocation and definitely not to blow it up much larger. We'd appreciate it if you'd read and follow the site guidelines, which you broke badly with this post. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by cbluth »

jacobush wrote: post #204
debt wrote: post #44

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Sneakernet is the most future-proof solution. It's impossible to stop by design. It can be discouraged with arrest, but not stopped completely.

Not completely non-workable either. A lot of store-and-forward text messages would fit on a 256GB USB.

Something like an isolated wifi "dead drop", and a gossip protocol would be all you need, like ssb.

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Post by remcob »

anticensor wrote: post #118
untreasure wrote: post #16

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You need to have the ground receiver and those seem relatively easy to restrict.

Hackable SDRs and small planar antennae are very cheap.

For bidirectional communications you need to transmit, and this means you send out a signal that can be easily triangulated.
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