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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by mda »

Miner49er wrote: post #153
mda wrote: post #147

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Stick to facts please.

We don't know the facts. This absolutely might be leading to genocide. The fact that they are cutting social media is even more evidence it might go in that direction.

There was a similar operation last year, was it genocide? Please, that is not a light word you should throw around without any evidence. I am always disgusted by censorship, but thankfully there are many other channels of information out there. Also you know that Turkey is home of at least 15 million Kurds already.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by enriquto »

hevi_jos wrote: post #84
enriquto wrote: post #12

everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.

In Catalonia there is a trial in process, that will edict verdict very soon. And there are no political prisoners. There are people that believed they could unilaterally break the law of Spain, that is the State they currently belong to, with no consequences. They are consequences to braking the law. Even considering Catalonia sovereighn, that is not, they would need 2/3 of the parliament to pass laws they passed wit…

> There are people that believed they could unilaterally...

If they only did! Once they go out of spanish prisons for not having delivered the independence that the people voted, they will have to go to prisons of the catalan republic for the same reason; the second time will actually make sense.

But I was not talking about the coward catalan politicians that surrendered themselves. I was talking about the 7 common citizens that were kidnapped at night last week by the spanish paramilitary and are currently in jail, falsely accused of "terrorism".

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by 99052882514569 »

throwyaway wrote: post #35
99052882514569 wrote: post #27

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I mean, it's next to a war zone, with tons of military hardware moving about, preparing to enter fighting. It sounds like pretty reasonable counter-intelligence (not to mention counter-propaganda) move.

Right now in Turkey criticizing the operation is considered "terrorist propaganda" (120+ persons already detained), as is reporting that there are victim among Syrian civilians (a few independent journalist already detained and released) any website/tv reporting negatively is being closed by the state TV watchdog. So it is not only about counter-intelligence.

I'm not commenting on the war, the sides taking part in it, etc. I'm merely saying that muting social media in the vicinity of troop movement is a logical move by any government engaged in a war.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by dang »

npx wrote: post #158
dang wrote: post #136

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Please don't use HN for regional flamewar or ethnic flamewar or racial flamewar or political flamewar or nationalistic flamewar. We ban accounts that do those things. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

In my defense, I wasn't trying to do any of those things. I don't want personally want to be involved, I don't want the military of my country to be involved, and to the point of this story: I don't even really want my internet connection to be involved. In the final analysis, I would prefer to be on another planet entirely.

I believe you that it wasn't your intent, but unfortunately flamewars aren't determined by intent. They're mostly determined by careless provocation.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by 99052882514569 »

driverdan wrote: post #69
99052882514569 wrote: post #27

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I mean, it's next to a war zone, with tons of military hardware moving about, preparing to enter fighting. It sounds like pretty reasonable counter-intelligence (not to mention counter-propaganda) move.

Blocking sites like this is never reasonable.

I disagree. Keeping your opponent in the 'fog of war' is a legitimate, reasonable military aim. In the olden days, radio/TV transmissions and newspaper publication was severely restricted during military operations. Today, those are largely irrelevant as news is spread on social media, so this block is the modern-era equivalent.

Note how my argument does not depend on whether we're talking about a good war, bad war, just war, evil war, etc.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by Miner49er »

mda wrote: post #161
Miner49er wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't know the facts. This absolutely might be leading to genocide. The fact that they are cutting social media is even more evidence it might go in that direction.

There was a similar operation last year, was it genocide? Please, that is not a light word you should throw around without any evidence. I am always disgusted by censorship, but thankfully there are many other channels of information out there. Also you know that Turkey is home of at least 15 million Kurds already.

Maybe ethnic cleansing is a slightly better term then genocide, though they fall under the same umbrella. The BBC is reporting that it's a possibility: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50004203

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by 99052882514569 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #154
mtw wrote: post #58

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

I am hesitating to respond as it may derail conversation from the actual subject at hand, but various territories have been annexed ( Crimea ) some of those annexations recognized ( Golan ) with comparatively little consequence. Add to that Chinese creating their own islands. 2019 is all about grabbing as much as you can. It may be wrong, but this is basically the world we live in.

This is the sad reality. An international world order in which borders are somehow sacrosanct was a nice feel-good fiction, but ultimately if it cannot be enforced, it's not real. Not to mention that, like you said, long before Crimea there was Golan, Kashmir, etc.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by themagician »

dopamean wrote: post #4

> Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey It's kind of incredible how that head line are so terrifying. The only explanation for this is that people don't want information getting out of that area. It's so fucked up. Maybe this is a bit naive to say but I really hate that this is just how things are. We all know what's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. It d…

See, I don't mind it.

Twitter and Facebook are HORRIBLE tools to rely on. They spread more wrong information than right information.

If free speech is going to survive it will require open systems and responsible journalism. Twitter and Facebook are tools that promote neither.

Bad information, I suppose, is better than no information… but damn have we regressed in a lot of ways.

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